U.S., allies were near a deal for peaceful end to Egypt crisis

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    For those who actually care what is happening in Egypt, today's Washington Post with more details on behind the scenes diplomatic activities noted in the Reuters article I posted a few days ago. Internal politics and power trumped pressure from us and regional supporters of Egypt - who provide more funds to Cairo than we do.


    Two weeks before the bloody crackdown in Cairo, the Obama administration, working with European and Persian Gulf allies, believed it was close to a deal to have Islamist supporters of ousted president Mohamed Morsi disband street encampments in return for a pledge of nonviolence from Egypt’s interim authorities.

    But the military-backed government rejected the deal and ordered its security forces to break up the protests, a decision that has resulted in hundreds of deaths and street clashes that continued Friday in the capital.

    The agreement nearly brokered two weeks ago sought statements of restraint from both sides and an inquiry into competing claims of violence and mistreatment, said Bernardino León, the European Union’s envoy for Egypt. That was supposed to be a prelude to talks between the Muslim Brotherhood and the government.

    Former Egyptian vice president Mohamed ElBaradei appeared to back the deal but could not convince Gen. Abdel Fatah al-Sissi, the head of the military, León said. ElBaradei resigned after violence erupted.

    The proposal was the result of weeks of visits and calls to Cairo by an unlikely diplomatic coalition representing supporters and opponents of Morsi and declared neutral parties, led by the United States

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...686-11e3-88d6-d5795fab4637_story.html?hpid=z1.
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    the best laid plans of mice and men oft go astray

    especially when you are dealing with terrorists
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    Boehner found that out when he thought he had a deal with Obama on deficit reduction. Thugs, Hoodlems, terrorists and extortionists understand one thing...a fricking bazooka up their keaster.
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    This seems to be the good guy's take on it as well.
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    Any plan that was contingent on Islamist fundamentalist factions like the Muslim Brotherhood honoring an agreement premised solely on their good word was a fool's plan anyway. I suspect the Egyptian military knew that. Hell, if you aren't a western liberal in the political class or academia, pretty much everyone knows that. Even the Saudi government has said that the Egyptian military is fighting terrorism.

    I'm no fan of the Egyptian military basically running a junta here, but they are waaaaaaay more sympathetic, and certainly more in our interests, than a Muslim Brotherhood government installed by any political process, even a nominally democratic one.
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    Well said (as usual).

    Forgotten in all of these discussions, it seems, is the MB's constant whittling at the constitution from the day they took power, presumably in an attempt to install themselves as a theocratic, ruling oligarchy. Refreshing, in that region, to see the people reject it and the military have the wherewithal to back them. All those prattling on about the "democratic process" didn't seem to have a problem when Morsi disbanded their version of the SCOTUS. The guy - and the MB - were really no different than the Nazis in that respect. Thankfully the Egyptian military is not Hindenburg and the Wehrmacht.

    Best thing we can do is stay out of this and let those who know the situation on the ground the best (and posses the common sense to deal with it appropriately) deal with it.
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    I was close to going to Harvard except I had bad grades.

    I was close to being the starting QB of UF except I couldn't throw a football beyond 30 yards.
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    Having disguised themselves as moderates who would respect the views of the opposition, the winners of the last election quickly rejected any thought of inclusiveness and began to install a radical government. By filling top government posts with radicals the new administration revealed its desire to fundamentally change the country. Having taken the reigns of government they quickly abandoned any pretense of being centrists.
    And now voters are having second thoughts about electing Barack Obama.
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    turks are wondering if it is too late for them. moderates went radical there but they purged the army first.

    how long till the world recognizes the theocracy there and how will that impact NATO?
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    Agreed.

    And there was Obama, taking center stage and trying to take credit for what was happening in Egypt and now he's trying to distance himself from it. :grin:
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    I hope no one missed my comparison of the modus operandi of the Muslim Brotherhood with the Obama administration. The similarities are striking. :ninja: :grin:
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    Actually, reminds me more of the Nazis circa 1930-33.
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    An inconvenient lie.^^

    Three Arab countries, that gave Egypt's military billions of dollars to oust Morsi, know more about the Muslim Brotherhood than Obama will ever know, or admit, about them.
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    I hope no one missed my comparison of the modus operandi of the Muslim Brotherhood with the Obama administration. The similarities are striking.


    Actually, reminds me more of the Nazis circa 1930-33.

    Point taken CHFG8R. And we know how that ended.
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    What happened to "we don't negotiate with terrorist".

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