Trump's take on the Michael Sam kiss & FSU linebacker mentions Tebow

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    Yep, nothing, zilch, nada and that's the way it should be.
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    Still waiting on a tweet from an NFL player about how Tebow's religious beliefs are disgusting, or horrible. Closest I could find was some commentary from Kurt Warner, which was a long way from saying Tebow's faith was disgusting.

    As for the Internet mocking Tebow, the Internet mocks everybody and it always will. The NFL could no more stop that than it could stop the sun from rising.
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    You must not be in tune or playing dumb. I've heard Stephen A. Smith say things close to it on ESPN. Please with your games.
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    How about "Disturbing"? Can an NFL player openly call the Sam situation "disturbing" without consequence:
    How about on the field mocking? Can an NFL player openly mock his sexuality, like they did Tebow's faith? Maybe a fake make-out session after a pancake block? Maybe pretend to rub cake on each other? Maybe they could call it "Samming" ...I mean "tebowing" was OK by his opponents...right?
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    Truth is, there are double standards everywhere. The problem is Sam is protected...by fear.

    Dan LeBatard said that the media is hypocritical. His radio poll showed that 56% of his listeners were UNCOMFORTABLE with the Sam kiss. But that ZERO PERCENT of the media had the courage to even touch that side of the coin.

    You better believe the same is true for players who know that they dare not speak "tweet".
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    I believe he was speaking clearly of major media...maybe even a shot at his own network.
    Since then I have heard Cowherd speak pretty boldly about how he is kinda sick of it.

    ...but LeBatards point is still valid even if a very small minority are speaking.
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    So you think these situations are the same as calling a man "disgusting" or "horrible" for being gay? Because I don't see that as the case for either example. In your first example, he said it's disturbing that Tebow is getting all the attention rather than Aaron Rodgers(?) who was breaking records every week.

    And in the second situation, it's not the first time a "signature" celebration has been mocked - see any team that ever mocked the Gator Chomp.
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    I get what Finley is saying. I'm asking you if a player will be allowed to say the same about Sam's attention with no fear of backlash/consequence.
    Answer: Not a chance.

    Tebow is not celebrating. He is pointing attention to his God. He actively does this BEFORE celebrating.
    You're telling me that if someone mocks Sam in a similar way, it will be accepted?
    Answer: Not a chance.

    For the record, Despite my view on Sam's actions, Neither should be publicly mocked.
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    Call it what you want, but it's just the same to me as Cam Newton doing the Superman pose.

    And can you describe this celebration of his gayness that Sam is going to do following a big play? Because I can't think of how that would go.
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    Didnt say he would, did I?
    I said a player could not mock his gayness. Please tell me where Tebow "celebrates" God? He aknowledges God.

    By the way, the superman pose draws attention to HIMSELF. Tebow is trying to deflect the glory to GOD...they are a different as night and day.Tim is saying, my ability comes from something greater than myself. Cam is being narcissistic.If you think Cam and Tebow are in some way doing the same thing, you clearly havent paid attention.

    Tebow stayed home on draft day. Didnt want all the attention on himself. Sam drafted 6 rounds later, had a cake wiping make out session...Manziel, drafted at roughly the same spot...flashes money signs to the crowd. His prayer is not the same self centered move as those.

    Tebow does little to nothing to draw attention to himself. He deflects it.
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    If Tebow thinks his endzone pose doesn't draw attention to himself, then he is clueless. If you don't think it draws attention to Tebow, then how do we all know he does (did) it? Call it what you will, but ultimately it's just another endzone celebration.
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    You a Tebow hater?
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    Nope. He can kneel in praise of God every day of the week and twice on Sunday if he wants to. But I'm not going to get up in arms if someone sacks him and then does his pose. It would bother me more if they sacked him and did the Gator Chomp. You have a signature celebration, it's a good bet that it's getting thrown in your face at some point, that's the nature of how the game is played.
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    Never said it doesnt draw attention to him. I said thats NOT WHY HE DOES IT. He does it to glorify God. Cameron Newton is trying to glorify Cameron Newton.

    Its not rocket science. It really isnt.
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    You see it as some selfless act, and I don't. That's not rocket science either, it really isn't.
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    Doesnt matter how you see it. It matters how he means it.
    If you believe that Tim and Cam have the same motives, than you must think Tim is a liar and you must not pay attention to how he lives his belief on and off the field.

    Cam is a selfish guy off of the field, and on.
    Tim devotes his life to God off the field, and on.

    Comparing the two is asinine.

    You just disagree with Tim...therefore you cant accept the fact that his motive is selfless
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    Best I can recall, Tebow's actual signature pose was waving his arms behind his head to pump up the crowd. The other stuff came later.
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    He stops where he is, and prays. That's a 'signature celebration'???

    The camera loves the guy--that shouldn't be mistaken for a ham who loves the camera. The 'pose' is introspective by its very nature. Sometimes he tries to do it on the sideline--but the camera hunts him down there too.

    I realize it's your opinion, but I can't help but wonder--if he were Muslim, and he bowed down facing the Mecca after scoring--and was mocked for doing so--would you still think he was doing it for attention?

    I'd wager prolly not...
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