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Trump Calls Out NATO

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by diehardgator1, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:26 AM.

  1. diehardgator1

    diehardgator1 Premium Member

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    Does not matter if you like Trump or not you have to admit he is right about our so called allies and has the guts to call them out.

    "Trump repeatedly pressed Jens Stoltenberg, NATO's secretary general, on why the U.S. continued to pay money to the military alliance while countries continue to purchase energy from Moscow."

    "“But how can you be together when you’re getting energy from the group you want protection from?” the president asked."

    "Trump used Germany as an example. He asked Stoltenberg to explain why Berlin was getting energy from Moscow, and asserted that Germany was "totally controlled" by and "captive to Russia" over a pipeline project."


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    Trump said of Germany: "We're supposed to protect you against Russia and yet you make this deal with Russia."

    “Explain that,” Trump said. “It can’t be explained."
    Many countries in NATO, which we are expected to defend, are not only short of their current commitment of 2% (which is low), but are also delinquent for many years in payments that have not been made. Will they reimburse the U.S.?
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    Trump, NATO head Stoltenberg have testy exchange at summit
     
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  2. GatorNorth

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    I think to some extent the President is mixing metaphors here, as the US buys plenty of oil from Moscow as well:

    U.S. Imports from Russia of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products (Thousand Barrels)

    Our government has been pushing NATO members to up the ante on their defense spending for years now, and rightfully so.

    Obama Warns NATO Allies to Share Defense Burden: 'We Can't Do It Alone'

    Bush to Press Allies for More Defense Spending at NATO Summit

    They should all honor their commitments as best they can, or have a good reason when they don't.

    And many have started to increase their spending year over year.

    Germany hasn't started to increase defense spending as others have, and they should because they have a healthy economy, but if you ask many Europeans, they actually get a little skittish when Germany builds up a large defense force for obvious historical reasons (rightly or wrongly).

    So while I give the President credit for pushing harder on this than his predecessors, the flip side is that NATO isn't just a transaction, and that's the only lens the President sees through.. It's an alliance that's kept peace in Europe for over 70 years since the end of WW2 and through the Cold War.

    The President has made his point. It doesn't need to be made over and over again like its a campaign rally for his base. At some point he needs to move on and conduct NATO's business as the leader of the free world, and not continually brow beat our allies in front of every camera, which makes the alliance is weak before he jets off to meet his man crush in Finland next week.
     
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  3. mutz87

    mutz87 Famishus Vulgarus VIP Member

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    Trump calls out allies and praises despots. This doesn't take guts.
     
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  4. GatorNavy

    GatorNavy Damn the torpedoes! Moderator Premium Member

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  5. gatorev12

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    Trump is absolutely right about Europe need to spend more on defense.

    He's wrong to keep insulting and haranguing them over it though. At a certain point, it becomes counterproductive and just plain rude. He's made his point publicly and privately...cool. I support that. But when you're at the conference, be tactful. They know your viewpoint and if they're our friends (which I believe they are), then they'll be doing what they can to respond. Continuing to antagonize will only piss people off.

    And he's completely wrong on how NATO is funded. There's no dues or bill that the US is owed. Continuing to spout that lie makes him look stupid.
     
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  6. diehardgator1

    diehardgator1 Premium Member

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    Only five of NATO's 28 members -- the U.S., Greece, Poland, Estonia and the U.K. -- meet the 2% target.

    The rest lag behind. Germany is set to spend 1.2% of GDP on defense this year, France 1.79%. Belgium, Spain and Luxembourg all spend less than 1%.
     
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  8. BLING

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    I agree on that last point, it literally does nothing except make him look stupid. I mean does he believe there is an account receivable, counting on his base of supporters being cretins? I don't even get the point of repeating that claim. Even if he making a completely legitimate point elsewhere about their failure to reach 2% of GDP, his intentional (or moronically unintentional) lies about them "owing" us money just undermines his argument.
     
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  9. diehardgator1

    diehardgator1 Premium Member

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    It only looks stupid in the eyes of liberals who seem to have no problem with borrowing money to pay for the defense of countries who do not want to pay for defending themselves. Our so called allies need NATO more than the US does So I have no problem with calling them out till they do meet the 2% The US is not going to be the worlds piggy bank thanks to Trump.
     
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    108 Premium Member

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    Per AP fact check

    “In 2014, before Trump was president, NATO members agreed to stop cutting their military budgets and set a goal of moving “toward” spending 2 percent of their gross domestic product on their own defense — by 2024. It was not a “commitment,” not a direct contribution to NATO, not a payment owed to the U.S., and not something that alliance members pledged to achieve immediately.”
     
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  11. diehardgator1

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    So we should reduce our spending to about 1.75% for NATO and we could use the savings to build the wall with. See how NATO would like that
     
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  12. homer

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    Let’s see if Trumps way gets results.
     
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  13. diehardgator1

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    yes it does take guts to call somebody out to their face rather than wait and do it behind their back
     
  14. wgbgator

    wgbgator Very Stable Genius Premium Member

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    Of course, we've been increasing our own defense budget massively during all these complaints about NATO and talking about adding a completely unnecessary "Space Force", so they probably know our threats are empty and that we cant quit spending money on the military.
     
  15. wgbgator

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    You've got to ask yourself if this makes these countries more likely to do what we'd like. I doubt any European leader wants to appear to be doing the bidding of an incredibly unpopular US president, particularly after being "called out" in front of the world. I'm sure this makes people like you feel good, but as far as producing results ... that's unlikely!
     
  16. diehardgator1

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    Seems to be working Thank you president Trump

    Updated 1:38 PM ET, Thu June 29, 2017
    NATO members to increase defense spending
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    (CNN)America's NATO allies in Europe and Canada will increase defense spending by 4.3% in 2017, according to official NATO statistics released Thursday.

    The boost comes amid continued criticism from President Donald Trump, who has frequently slammed allies for not meeting NATO defense spending targets.
    Twenty-five NATO allies plan to increase spending in real terms in 2017, according to the report.

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/politics/nato-members-increase-defense-spending/index.html
     
  17. homer

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    NATO won’t matter in the big picture.

    Russia has gone back to building medium range nuclear missiles violating the agreement.

    They will nuke Europe when it’s convenient.
     
  18. homer

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    Did someone create a time machine. 2017?
     
  19. diehardgator1

    diehardgator1 Premium Member

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    NO not needed he first called them out in May 2017

    Trump scolds NATO allies for not spending more on defense


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    By Michael A. Memoli
    May 25, 2017 | 3:00 PM
    | Brussels




     
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  20. VAg8r1

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    Not sure if you're serious or not, but France and the UK both have the capability of retaliation.
     
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