They lost but they won't give up.

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    Angry atheists claim the mere existence of the Ground Zero Cross is giving them "depression, headaches, anxiety, and mental pain and anguish."

    As ridiculous as it sounds, they are taking this argument to a federal appeals court.

    We are preparing a critical amicus brief, due in a matter of weeks, to defend the Cross.

    As the trial court correctly noted, these intersecting steel beams found in the rubble of the 9/11 terrorist attack are a historical artifact, not a constitutional violation. They really meant something to thousands of Americans whether the atheists like it or not.

    We must make it clear: the Constitution is not an atheist manifesto.

    From a solicitation by the ACLJ (American Center for Liberty and Justice).

    http://www.charismanews.com/opinion...ue-relentless-attack-on-the-ground-zero-cross

    The angry atheists’ reaction was unsurprising. “We are angry that we have to have this fight,” said the president of the group, David Silverman.

    Despite their unmitigated rage, placing this cross in a museum does not violate the Constitution. As the Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the Constitution’s “goal of avoiding governmental endorsement does not require eradication of all religious symbols in the public realm.” Simply put, the Constitution is not an atheist manifesto.

    The fact is their lawsuit alleges that the mere “existence of the cross” has given them “depression,” “anxiety,” “mental pain and anguish,” and even “headaches.” For those who claim to have no faith, they are assigning near supernatural qualities to the cross.

    Ironic as it is, their challenge to the cross, its historic significance, and the real impact it had on thousands of Americans is real.
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    This is the key to me...I'd assume they would just laugh at it and our puny misguided beliefs!!!

    The presence of these beams is nowhere near an "establishment of religion" as the original text intended it.
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    I am surprised they acknowledged the "power" those beams have over them. Seems contrary to the atheist's belief.
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    Huh?
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    As I said in another thread, the day WILL come when even churches won't be allowed to display crosses. Arguments WILL be made that the public display of ANY religious symbol offends some and causes them anxiety. Liberal judges WILL side with this, and individual 1st ammendment rights WILL be trampled because they offend others.
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    When the Gators run on to the field and I seee that Orange & Blue, I feel powerful emotions. That means I'm not an atheist, because I believe in the power of football I guess?
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    What a stupid analogy!
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    If the bars do have power over them then that would suggest they actually do believe otherwise they would not be effected.
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    The power behind the "beams'" symbolism, indeed powers over all, acknowledged or not.
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    from the article (and OP):

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    Tell you what, if anyone can pay my way up to NY, I will be glad to personally stand in front of all these atheists and give them a gesture that will more than add to their "depression, headaches, anxiety, and mental pain and anguish."
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    Yeah, again, how is experiencing headaches, stress or emotion because of a symbol have anything to do with "faith" or "supernatural qualities?" Surely, you have experienced all these things without ascribing supernatural qualities to what you deem to be the source.
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    Broke internet tough guy alert!
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    Freedom OF Religion, not FROM Religion....

    These are the same folks that demand tolerance in every other venue:)
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    Sorry to disappoint WQB, but "...the mere existence of [ANYTHING] has [never] given [me] 'depression,' 'anxiety,' 'mental pain and[/or] anguish,' [nor] even 'headaches'.”

    Not even the mass proliferation of brutally ignorant, incredibly mal-informed, indoctrinated neo-libbies who can (and unfortunately do), vote stupidly in this country, has even come close to doing anything of the sort. :dog:

    Hence to suggest that the mere existence of a symbol causes such injury as to give grounds to a lawsuit, is to ascribe some sort of powers from some where...:ninja:
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    ANYTHING? Not work, family, spouse, etc? Sorry, you are either lying or not human.
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    The mere existence of work, family, my wife...should cause me such anguish?

    ...or something that happens with regards to them?

    But then, that would be real world stuff...

    ...these a$$clowns claim--in their lawsuit (according to the op)--that the mere existence of the cross, causes all these things.

    That's kinda'...'other worldly'--at least a bit metaphysical.

    (or a confession of serious psychological issues on their part).
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    ^^^e.g.--does the mere existence of the swastika, ever [cause you] “depression,” “anxiety,” “mental pain and anguish,” [or] even “headaches?”
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    In the abstract no, but if someone put one up across the street, and I had to walk by it everyday, it's "mere existence" might. Look, I think their claims are bogus, but they say more about our litigious society than they do about atheism or "belief."
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    Their goal is to remove all symbols and acknowledgement of religion from the public square, either by litigation or intimidation.

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