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They have now infiltrated our military

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gatorman_07732, Oct 23, 2013.

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    Hey, I guessed "atheism," in my first post! :yes:

    Perhaps it is you who misjudged my flippancy for hostility.
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    I don't, but what I do see as a problem is their presence being an issue that has no bearing on their freedom. My question is, why the need of the eradication for god. This has nothing to do with state sanctioned religion.
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    How about if they are each given a choice whether to add that part or not?
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    God isn't being 'eradicated.' According to the Air Force Times link, one of the options being considered is to make the phrase optional for the one reciting the oath. That seems to be the best choice as far as I am concerned.

    As for your question, " why the need of the eradication for god." I can see how a person taking an oath sincerely would perhaps be hesitant to recite an oath containing a phrase asking for help from a God the reciter does not believe exists. There is a fundamental dishonesty in such a recitation. Excluding the phrase from that individual's oath would eliminate an edge of dishonesty the oath taker would otherwise be forced to perpetrate when reciting an oath containing the phrase.

    Give them a choice. Perhaps one could be to swear upon the honor of one's good name.
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    Do they make you say GOD in a court of law?
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    That's one ot the options being considered, however they are also considering dropping the whole phrase which I consider problematic.
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    No.
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    I've got no problem with atheists, agnostics or people of any religion wishing to serve our country in the military - and I'm thankful to all of them for their service.

    Requiring non-believers to swear to a deity they do not believe in seems worse than removing the reference to a deity for believers. The best solution is to allow those taking the oath to include the language or not at their option.

    No matter how it is dealt with - this is not the end of the country as we know it, nor will it affect the effectiveness of our military. Not a huge deal either way.
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    When I was sworn in, the liaison told us that if you don't believe in god that to just skip it when you say the oath. That was good enough for me.
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    It is my belief that the usual groups behind this sort of thing want it removed completely just like they had god removed from the logo of the air force. Next thing you know they'll want the chapel removed from West Point.
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    I'm pretty ambivalent to the use of the word God in oaths and pledges. It really means nothing. Silly for one group to want to take it out, silly for another to want to keep it in.
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    Why, before you know it, they'll be allowing gays to serve and women in combat too.
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    Ironic that you would choose this picture, seeing as many Christians would deny that the painter was actually a Christian himself. (although the painter would testify that he is a Christian)
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    The thought of An army of gays and women in pink uniforms makes me laugh for some reason.
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    I'm not sure what the painter has to do with GW and his belief in god.
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    I'm not sure what atheists wanting to serve our country has to do with anything either, so I guess we are even.
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    It doesn't, but there a certain groups within the military that look for reasons to be offended.
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    Washington is actually an interesting choice for this particular topic, considering:

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    "God" not used in the Constitution or Declaration either.
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    To me it's pretty simple: religion is a personal matter. There's never any reason to compel someone to partake in my personal beliefs.

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