Discussion in 'Awesome Recruiting' started by ETGator1, Feb 7, 2018.
Two they wanted came to UF, Copeland and Langham.
85 scholarship limit, 105 total player limit to include preferred and other walk ons
25 scholarship limit, but early enrollees can apply toward previous Feb 2017 class or this Feb 2018 class. That is why you see teams sign more than 25 in a class.
Transfers in must count toward your 25 scholarship number. If UF signed 19 and none could be applied to previous class, then 19 plus 2 transfers is 21 (4 under), so they could sign max of 29 next year, provided under 85 ship limit in Feb 2019. If a few early Spring enrollees can count backwards, you could sign a few more in theory. However, you would never do so due to class to class (fresh, soph, junior, senior) balance concerns.
Some programs guarantee scholarship for one year, with University option to renew annually, whereas others guaranteed for 4 years. UF was a 4 year guarantee ship school, but unsure if Mullen has kept that provision. That is why a Bama can weed out kids each year and more difficult for UF to do so
Recruiting is impacted by player stipend paid to recruits each semester. Bama and FSU pay significantly more than UF does each year. To players with no money, this stipend difference can be basis for some kids decision. This actually is more impactful than academic ranking for many when choosing a college
This is operative and was the way the old rule worked, but many on this site have argued vociferously that there is a hard and fast rule of no more than 25 annually....and it appears that they may have been incorrect.
I believe that UF has said in the past that some offers were for full 4-year scholarships, but some were not. I have no idea if that is still the case. And yes, just like Bear did, Alabama runs a glorified tryout camp for its players. You don't make the 3 deep by your Soph year, they'll find a way to make you disappear.
This pisses me off to no end. There is no way in hell that it costs more to attend FSU or backwards-ass Bama than it does UF, yet these disparities still exist. Interestingly, when Bama found out that Auburn would be offering several thousand more than them initially, they immediately re-worked their formula.
One last thing is the term “grey shirting”. This is where an athlete defers enrollment from the Fall to the Spring or winter term. When a program has reached its signing limit max, it can approach kids to defer enrollment until the Spring, when they can be counted toward the following years recruiting class number. Alabama did this with a 4 star DL last year.
With regard to the stipend, some programs actually calculate the stipend difference between their program and a competing school to negative recruit with parents and their children. Can be $4,000 to $8,000 difference over a 4 year period, so major differential. Kids from out of State get more than in State kids due to travel cost differences to go to and from home. Inexpensive places like TN also have much higher stipend. You should look at what Auburn, Bama, TN, FSU, .., pay in comparison to us. Dirty little secret in calculation
Yep, but don't think he was allowed to "sign" an LOI on signing day. Technically, he just signed his LOI in the early period on 12/20: Jarez Parks.
Knoxville is one of the least expensive places to live in the SEC. Avg. Home prices about 2/3 of what you find in G'ville, and cheap TVA power bills.
Correct regarding Parks. Technically he could continue to be recruited and sign with anyone, but he could have signed with those other programs previously and chose to grey shirt with Bama. FSU and UF would have taken Parks during the Feb 2017 signing period.
Zach A. nails it:
I'm in the camp thinking we're going to be able to sign upper 20s, say +-28. That 24 will prove to be too low. Dan Mullen acknowledged during his NSD presser that UF would be signing a large 2019 signing class.
Anything that high would mean some bad attrition has occurred. There simply isn' that much waste on the roster. I hear people mentioning non contributing OL, but those guys are mostly in the senior class and already being counted
That is a lot of attrition. But it isn't just about waste and trimming fat. Players make their own decisions too.
From the article, start with 14, assume we lose 3-4 juniors to the NFL - that's about average for us. That alone gets us to 17-18 Usually you see an uptick in attrition following a coaching change, as players often have a lot of loyalty to their prior coach(es). Some might not mesh well with the new coach's personality. Some might be scared off by the work the new coach expects, and choose greener pastures. All of these are normal consequences of major staff changes. You'll see a few of these between now and the start of fall practice. Guaranteed.
Then you still have all the regular stuff. Someone may get in trouble and get kicked off the team. Someone may need a medical hardship. A perennial under-performer may transfer after he sees the post-spring depth chart. I think 22-23 is the absolute minimum in available scholarships, and it's not a stretch to imagine it going a bit higher than that.
The really good news is that, with a relatively small senior class next season, we have a very good chance of getting to a solid 85 with the next signing class. Finally, the end of our self-imposed probation!
Well ET you nailed it. As you mentioned this is the definitive proof from Zach A. at SEC Country:
I'm glad that you brought up this topic again to correct some of our misinformed or unsure posters about this topic.
I'm sure we will see a few transfer out when the three deep comes out and players are passed over by younger guys. I expect one qb to leave before this season and one more after the coming season.
We are at 83 or 84 if riles returns
I have us at 82 as of now, counting Senior Ryan Farr(former walk-on, longsnapper) but not LB RJ Raymond who walked at senior day.
Riles is back home in north Georgia and not attending workouts, so he's considered gone.
I'm sure we'll see at least 2-3 transfers out before Summer camp begins....will be interesting if there are any transfers in.
He did and after an entire year he was finally allowed to practice for the first time just before the bowl game.