The People's Case Against Muschamp

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  1. mdfgator
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    You seem more like a board game guy than a sports guy, smart move on your part
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    Or comment on it....
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    I would not
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    Of course you would not...lol. No surprise here. Muschamp is completely blameless in your eyes for some ungodly reason.
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    Kind of sums up everyone's biggest fear of why it won't get better if Muschamp stays and simply replaces the OC.

    Muschamp cannot manage his roster. That's what handcuffs an OC. Play calling is slightly less than half the offensive problem, but all Muschamp allows of his OC and not deciding who starts, benching kids, and pulling redshirts.

    Ironically, Muschamp and Florida would be so much better if he only got to tool with half the team, defense. Give Durkin ST back. But, yeah, that's not why he's payed the big bucks as an unproven HC.
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    Completely? You speak in absolutes, is that because you have trouble with nuance?
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    Good stuff, limey.
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    Yep. Many people said we shouldn't hire a first time head coach back when we hired him. I didn't think it was a big deal. He seemed like he really knew his xs and os and was familiar with the sec. I severely underestimated how much he would struggle with the head coaching duties.

    Therefore I agree that a new oc won't fix it. We will still have myriad issues including roster management like you mentioned. You're right on. He doesn't recruit to our needs, mismanages red shirts, bungles the depth chart, plays guys out of position, doesn't seem to have legitimate competition for spots, etc.
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    What does he do well in your mind
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    what redshirts should have not been burned? If anything the roster looks a lot better now then it did 3 years ago
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    Let's be clear: I don't despise anyone who continues to support Muschamp. I do have trouble understanding it, however, and I'm interested in exactly what the metric is that indicates we should retain him. You have basically said no matter what happens the rest of this year, we should give him next year. I don't agree, but fine. What does mission success look like next year? "Cleaned up" is way too vague. Is any improvement good enough? I mean, if we finish 4-8 (and we may) but next year we get it "up" to 5-7, is that a successful end state? I hope not. Please, specifically, state the minimum production for retaining Muschamp through 2015.
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    2015...title or bust!
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    I have a question for you say they decide to get a new coach how many games does he need to win to keep his job after one year ir whatever metric you would like to use for Muschamp
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    I have posed this question multiple times. Only a few that want to keep him have actually put an actual expectation on 2014. I firmly believe that outside of 11-1, he must make ATL. And there's no excuses. One, count them, ONE East division title out of every four is NOT reasonable(and below my bar but let's just talk about next year in a vacuum).
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    First year, I just want to see improvement...have not saw that at all this year...be competitive.
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    . 9 wins, basecamp.
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    why just improvement the coach will have one of the more loaded roster in the country next year. It wont be low on depth anywhere but CB and and we get a ton of people back from injury. If a new coach cant have double digit wins with next years team would you really think he was a great coach? Wouldn't 9 wins be the bare minimum?
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    It is probably Atlanta or bust, but I think at least a 9-win season(with a win over Georgia) with improved performance on offense (In the top half of all FBS teams) might get him 1 extra year. If he loses to Georgia next season, he better make it to Atlanta. lol
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    All that matters is when Muschamp burns redshirts, we lose anyway. That decision hurts the present and future. Muschamp does what he thinks is right because he assumes his players are being "coached up."
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    I'd say win 10 games, win the SEC east and beat both of our rivals.

    - 10 games should be the standard at UF.

    - one division title in four years is hardly unreasonable.

    - a 3-5 record against our two most bitter rivals is hardly unreasonable...if anything it is below the bar most would consider acceptable.

    Anything less than that should result in termination.

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