The national highway trust fun is going broke

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    The federal tax used to fund it hasn't been raised in 30 years. Surely all reasonable people can join me in calling for a hike in taxes. Yes it's regressive. I'm ok with that if offsetting taxes are levied on the 1%.
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    Gasoline tax is the only way that would be remotely fair. That however would be a time bomb politically.

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    Lets stop raiding the trust fund for other causes
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    Really how is this a flame? Surely the righties can agree you need to pay for what you get. Or maybe I am wrong and they are the party of Jamies Winston.
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    You're not wrong, the question is how do you do it?
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    Because you slip in things like "Surely all reasonable people agree with me." If you agree you need to pay for what you get, why do you support entitlements?
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    We as a society need a safety net for the least of us otherwise we would be El Salvador. Truly poor people won't be impacted by this. This is most inpactful on the middle class but to be equitable I propose a modest wealth tax on the 1%'rs
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    Not one cent. There are hundreds of billions of dollars either lost as waste or fraud in the federal budget every year, and who knows how many billions more on the Waste List every year in frivolously and irrelevant expeditions into whether marmots in the plain states are homosexual or whatever else. That's where your highway money is.

    Not to go all "Princess Bride" on you, but... "reasonable". You keep saying that word. I dont'a think it means what you think it means.
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    You have a point we waste at least 200b on defense intelligence and DHS. Let's cut that fat and transfer to the highway fund
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    Wait, are they taking funds out of transportation? If not stop your deflection
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    I have little objection to raising taxes that are designated for infrastructure investments since they provide equal benefits to all aspects of society and represent an investment in our future economic health.

    But I'd observe the US govt doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem.

    If the issue is that transportation funding isn't getting its fair share, than shift more funding away from ridiculous wasteful programs and into something that will provide tangible economic benefit.

    If the issue is that taxation hadn't kept pace with inflation, then by all means, figure out to raise funds that seek contributions from all aspects of society. Roads benefit everyone equally. Their cost should be spread throughout society, not narrowly focused.

    If the issue is merely a pretext for the OP to raie taxes on "the rich" (as I strongly suspect it is), then this sadly typical.
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    That, ahead of the $50 billion or so of documented annual waste in Medicare/Medicaid. Not actual benefits or operational funding, just that they piss away or set on fire failing at basic professional competence every year.
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    You'd be ok with just about any tax that was raised on the 1%. I doubt you have any limits.

    I'm only in favor of add'l gasoline taxes if the funds go to build more trains and mass transit. Anything we can do to discourage the use of cars and trucks is fine by me as long as we have viable alternatives. Which we don't. Cause we don't fund them properly. Cause gas is too cheap to make people think twice about driving. Cause we don't realize that raising taxes to build more roads while keeping gas cheap only encourages more cars, which requires more roads, which….you get the picture.
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    Meh, let Google build driverless tolled roads for wheeled vehicles. At least they won't do everything possible to block innovations like smart system traffic patterns, flying vehicles, or sane mass transit.
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    Maybe it's 'broken' because Obama gave everyone in that union a huge a$$ raise and broke it on purpose... Just like he did in Washington, and just like he did to the American economy.
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    Surely any reasonable person realizes more than the defense intelligent budget needs to be cut.
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    Same with the aviation trust fund. They both seem to be used as the congress' personal ATM machine. When they need funds, they raid the trust funds and replace the real dollars with paper IOUs.

    How about we just hold congress responsible for it? Taxes are high enough already. Let's just keep those greedy politicians' hands OUT of the funds, and use the $ for the reasons that were used to justify the tax in the FIRST place.
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    You want more money for roads etc-cut spending somewhere else to fund it
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    Well the price of gas has certainky gone up in 30 years.That should raise more revenue w/o a tax increase
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    Unless taxes are tied to fuel increases I don't see how this would be true. If consumption is up then there should be an increase in revenue but that could easily be offset by more miles driven.

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