The King decides he doesn't want to enforce the laws he created.

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    My guess is that as pieces of the 2700 page unaffordable Affordable Care Act are priced by the Insurance Industry and are close to implementation, they will continue to be pushed back beyond the 2016 elections as democrats run for cover. (Perhaps the demo symbol really ought to change from donkey to a picture of a pickpocket)
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    I do not think prezBO has the authority to delay this law
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    POTUS option(as well as the option of a king in other countries).

    As head of the executive branch of govt the POTUS has a lot of lee-way in the enforcement of laws(including laws the POTUS has himself signed into law).

    It is quite apparent by the language of the writer of the OP-ed you cited, that the writer is a conservative. What possibly explains the venom is his commentary in the OP-ED is that McConnell himself paved the way for Obama to enter his law career in Chicago. With McConnell having been favorably impressed by Obama's work on the Harvard Law Review.

    McConnell himself has long time history of association with GOP and having been appointed to positions by Republicans.

    He likely feels/believes that Obama has developed in his practice and interpretation of law from what McConnell was trying to steer him into.

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    What Obama is planning to do(the reference in the ACA pertains to months after Dec 31, 2013)----by strict or even loose interpretation of the Constitution may well be a breaking of that portion of the constitution. He has the right to do that with the understanding that his decision can be challenged. At which point it goes to the SCOTUS. Further in the article he states that objection is not likely from opponents of the ACA. And supporters of ACA would also not likely object.

    If it comes to happen that Obama does suspend that portion of ACA and it goes unchallenged by the GOP

    I hope you have the integrity to blame Obama for exceeding his authority AND ALSO blame GOP for not challenging him in court on the matter

    It would be an instance of two wrongs---1 by Obama, the other by the GOP.
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    Are you sure about that old? I don't think he can do this either. He's acting for all three branches of government. They are separated for a reason. Did you even read the article?
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    yes I did read it.

    The point I tried to make, evidently not clearly enough is that people have the ability, whatever to decide to break laws, etc. From you and me all the way to the POTUS(whoever the POTUS happens to be). That being the case, if you or I or POTUS decides to exceed the law----that is wrong. and I started that in my previoous post. Thing is, in many instances of Aemrican law just because a person breaks a law doesn't mean automatic punishment. There is due process. In regard to POTUYS exceeding POTUS authority that doesn't automatically mean punishment. Whewn a POTUS(or you, me, and most everybody) exceeds the law there needs to be a formal complaint filed against the person. What i stated in my previous post is that per the writer of the article himself---it is not likely that opponents of ACA(ie majority of GOP politicians) would object to the suspension of that portion of ACA. Without a complaint against POTUS it becomes pretty much moot case.

    And if there is objection to Obama exceeding POTUS authority in regards to suspending for the time being a portion of ACA there should also be objection if GOP does not file complaint regarding the matter.
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    This is exactly what I've been posting about for some time now... finally someone in print media has brought this the attention it deserves.

    Obama thinks he can summarily rewrite Congressional approved law, basically changing the laws themselves by fiat - this is illegal.
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    as long as our Congress sits on their hands he will continue
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    agree with your comment

    it is a matter of POTUS and Congress(mainly GOP House) giving the old 'wink, wink, nod, nod'
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    Bullcrap. As long as the justice department is in his hip pocket, anything he does is possible.
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    My guess is that your guess is 110% accurate. :yes:
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    a- it is illegal
    b- those effected will not sue to make them start a year early
    c- the congress has not the back bone or cojones to say anything
    d- if they are going to break the law, break it for all, meaning delay the individual mandate as well; but that doesn't wash either because they are still breaking it, allowing it to be broken, in this case go big or go home is not a desirable character trait

    none of this is surprising, actually, it is modern politics, none of them follow the constitution, they follow the re-election dollars only. every one of them, crooked crooked crooked. Term limits, rid the country of the fed, and overhaul the tax code and abolish/alter the IRS.
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    I think the ACA will be a complete disaster but its funny that people think Obama is violating the Constitution in a way that's significantly different than the way in which prior Presidents have operated. Or that his relationship with Holder is somehow different than Bush's was with Gonzalez, or Carter's was with Griffin Bell, etc.
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    Exactly. And 0's water carriers still trip over themselves rushing to his defense.
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    Yes.

    Nah. What's funny is that people think it's ok for 0 to do it because someone else did. It's like telling your son it's ok to tell his mother to f**k off because some other kid at school did.
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    Barry is the WORST and most ARROGANT Prez EVER.
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    Quality Post
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    Repped.
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    I never said it was ok but that we all tend to have situational ethics due to our own biases when in fact both parties are largely the same when it comes to procedural governance.

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