The Impact of Computerization on the Labor Market

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    That change was from one type of human labor to another. Moving from human labor to machine labor is not going to be accompanied by increases in human labor. The losses of labor might be somewhat mitigated by new jobs in robotics and computers, but the whole point of automation is that it lowers the need for costly labor. Look at the industries that are heavily switching to robotics already, like ports. The longshoremen jobs being lost are not being replaced by the production and maintenance jobs for robotics.
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    We might need people to build the 'labor-bot's that will come on-line soon... You never know. But, computer scientists are never going to lose their jobs completely.

    In the end... I still see a world with people at least owning these lobor-bots and leasing them out for money to businesses or using them as their own labor force...
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    But again, the jobs lost from the labor done by the machines will be more than the jobs gained by creating those robots. And while people will obviously own this capital, we currently do not have a system that is able to distribute capital in a manner that will make up for the loss of labor income to middle and lower income people. So you get what is happening right now in Western economies. All economic gains pass through capital markets, and the already wealthy extract those gains based on capital ownership (in the case of the modern economy this is stock ownership).
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    You make a compelling argument... And it might be a concern if we lose all laborious jobs tomorrow, but I think we might be getting a little ahead of ourselves on the down tick in labor jobs. Houses and buildings are not going to be built overnight with bots... and if push comes to shove, we can still deport illegal workers as a last resort... to keep Americans working.

    The answer is not to stimy progress in automation as much as it is to train for the future and embrace it... take it head on instead of wishing it away as some (not you) other people might want to do.
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    If nobody makes anything other than non-human robots, it would be pretty hard to justify capitalism.
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    How so? You still have businesses making products, and money to run them... Although it might be very differnet indeed.
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    Why are you guys picking on robots? There are jobs out there that they can do that a human cannot. If nothing else, someone has to design and build them. Someone has to program them. And someone has to provide maintenance support. So robots are our friends and provide jobs. Eventually, robots will be able to work in space for us, work underwater, and other places that humans cannot even survive.

    Back in the 50s, companies had rooms full of engineers to help with complex computations and designs. Now there is a single computer that does it more accurately and faster. But engineering jobs did not go away. They evolved into something else.

    The smart person recognizes opportunity, then puts themselves in position to capitalize on it.

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