The House GOP's Little Rule Change That Guaranteed A Shutdown

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    If it still isn't obvious this is the Republican's shutdown....

    The House GOP's Little Rule Change That Guaranteed A Shutdown

    Under normal House rules, according to House Democrats, once that bill had been rejected again by the Senate, then any member of the House could have made a motion to vote on the Senate's bill. Such a motion would have been what is called "privileged" and entitled to a vote of the full House. At that point, Democrats say, they could have joined with moderate Republicans in approving the motion and then in passing the clean Senate bill, averting a shutdown.

    But previously, House Republicans had made a small but hugely consequential move to block them from doing it.
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    No don't be silly ... the problem is a fatal flaw in that troublesome document called the US Constitution. Just ask Chris Hayes:

    >>According to MSNBC’s woefully statist anchor, our Constitutional form of government inhibits the ability for government to adequately (or speedily) race toward action. Which, in a way, is true. Fascism, in comparison, enables for a rapid-response-government that forfeits deliberation for action. And of course, that brings us to the main issue at hand: The Constitution was orchestrated with the very explicit purpose of derailing radical shifts in government.<<

    http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/michaelschaus/2013/10/09/msnbcs-chris-hayes-the-problem-is-the-constitution-n1719767
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    That's actually fairly interesting (perhaps limited to if you're a legislative process nerd :laugh:, but I thought it was interesting at least).

    While that's certainly an unusual provision to include, a bill specific rule setting out the debate framework is included on most major legislation.

    Nevertheless, it certainly evidences an intentional effort to make sure there was no procedural vehicle by which the Senate's resolution could reach the House floor and potentially pass and take away their shutdown leverage (which sort of belies the "it's not our fault, the Senate won't listen to the will of the House and made us shutdown" story).

    That also ought to be a hint to those of you insisting it's a fantasy that the House has the votes to pass the Senate resolution. It's fantasy enough to have leadership worried about accidentally allowing a vote on the Senate resolution.
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    "But the House Rules Committee voted the night of Sept. 30 to change that rule for this specific bill. They added language dictating that any motion 'may be offered only by the majority Leader or his designee.'"

    This article doesn't say to where the language was added.

    If it was part of the bill, then it isn't a rule change; it a bill provision. Why do you think they added time limitations to pass constitutional amendments? Unpassed ones are out there for passage, forever, unless there is a time limitation, in the amendment itself..
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    The Rules Committee crafts and reports a separate House Resolution containing the floor rules for how a specific bill can be considered. The Rules Resolution then goes to the floor and that Rules Resolution has to first pass before the bill can be considered at all, and the bill is then considered only pursuant to the floor rules contained in the Rules Resolution. This is why if you watch on CSPAN the first vote related to a given piece of legislation, before they get to the actual bill will be "on adopting the Rule."

    That make some sense at least in clearing it up (or at least as clear as House Rules and the role of the Rules Committee can be made in a short summary :laugh:)?

    This was the Rules Resolution in question: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-113hres368rh/pdf/BILLS-113hres368rh.pdf

    And this is the House Report accompanying the Rules Resolution that describes what the Rules Committee did in setting specific floor rules for consideration of that piece of legislation:
    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CRPT-113hrpt240/pdf/CRPT-113hrpt240.pdf
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    libs cannot look in the mirror and see that prezBO and Reid are the problem

    until some honesty returns to that side of the isle =we will continue to gorw in hatred towards each other
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    Members of Congress should be required to get into a room and scream at one another until they can't speak, stop their salaries and benefits and place small American flags at the tombs in Arlington National Cemetary.:wave:
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    So you're saying they're wanting to do what Reed has been doing for years? Shame on them.
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    Remember that the Senate changed its rules to enable the passage of Obamacare in the first place.
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