The GOP Can't Survive Without the Tea Party

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    Way to change the premise

    I never said some Tea Party members are not social conservatives. I am sure many hold socially conservative positions.

    As an anecdote, I am a "practical" libertarian and share a lot of the sentiments with the local Tea Party. But I rarely support the legislation of social issues. I also receive e-mails from the Georgia Tea party. Other than immigration, I have rarely seen many calls for socially conservative legislation in their position papers. I am not even sure immigration policy is a pure social issue

    Again, please codify for us any incidents of elected Tea party candidates advocating socially conservative legislation. While doing your research, please try and understand the difference between holding socially conservative positions and attempting to legislate them.
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    Huh? You asked: Can you name some examples of tea party politicians that have moved to legislate social issues?

    And I presented an example of one who moved to legislate a social issue. How is that changing the premise?
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    He gave you one. Trent Franks and Mike Lee attempting to ban abortions over 20 weeks. There were actually two bills: one that would ban it nationwide and the other specific to the District of Columbia. Both are considered Team Party legislators.

    For another example, Tim Huelskamp, Tea Party Caucus member, introduced an Anti-Gay Marriage Constitutional Amendment this year (H.J.RES.51).
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    You said;

    "so the opinions of members of the tea party don't count? it's just whether politicians have introduced legislation?"


    Then you gave an example of what you consider to be social legislation. To wit; abortion. I guess views that advocate the sanctity of human life can be considered to be a "social" issue. I guess. But not in my way of thinking. Perhaps we quibble about definition, but I consider abortion to be an enumerated constitutional right debate.
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    Regardless, it's not libertarian-financial.
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    From what I can tell, Libertarians, like most of the populace, are deeply divided by the abortion issue.
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    So you wanted social issues, and then claim abortion doesn't count. What does, out of curiosity? Gay marriage?

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    Fair example. I stand corrected.
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    No problem. Kudos to you for admitting it. It's rare around here.
    But I do think that the social stuff is very much a part of the Tea Party.
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    To me this is an error on their part. If you want to form a movement to reduce government expenditures and to make government more solvent then stick to that. Those same people are going to have personal beliefs about social issues too but mixing the two up is really nothing new.
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    It's never been just about spending. It's been blanket anti-Obama stuff. He's Muslim. He wasn't born here. He's a commie. There have been several videos posted here before with ridiculously random and uninformed opinions from those at Tea Party rallies.
    My personal favorite was the ones convinced that Obama had created the whole idea of czars and was giving them lands and titles.

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