The GOP Can't Survive Without the Tea Party

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  1. Gatorrick22

    Gatorrick22 Well-Known Member

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    The Dems tried like hell to kill the tax exemptions status.. Which is a glitch and will be over come soon enough to get real change in our great nation... one more reason to defund the IRS and fix the tax code once and for all.
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    Any true ideological center is entirely arbitrary. So if the Tea Party, with its ability to appeal to a niche but not the broader population, gains in power, that actually could result in a shift to the left in policy. For example, the Tea Party has been instrumental in nominating Senate nominees in places like Delaware (O'Donnell against Coons), Coloardo (Buck against Bennet), Nevada (Angle against Reid), Missouri (Akin against McCaskill), Indiana (Mourdock against Donnelly). It is hard to imagine that Democrats would have won more than 1 of those races with a reasonable Republican candidate. Coons was way down to his opponent. McCaskill was way down to both of the other potential Republican candidates. Reid was even further behind in polling against other candidate in Nevada. Bennet was very vulnerable as a relatively minor figure in the state. So the push for ideological purity are like the reason for a 54-46 Senate compared with a 50-50 (still nominally Democratic controlled) or even a 51-49 Senate in favor of Republicans.

    Even one of the few successes the Tea Party has had in even moderately competitive territory (Pat Toomey) is now being threatened with a primary for breaking orthodoxy on a single issue (gun control). If that is successful in 2016 (with a Presidential year electorate), you will likely be looking at another Democratic Senator.
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    A think that the left are either in denial about the strenght of the Tea Party and completely mischaracterize their purpose.
  4. MichiGator2002

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    And if the GOP shifts to left again, it can enjoy more 2006/2008 Congressional results. They have nothing to offer anyone as that party, nothing! People who really get up in the morning for the kind of government-as-center-of-society nonsense will vote for the Democrats over Republicans offering a pale imitation, and the individualist/capitalist leave-us-the-hell-alone plurality of American society will just punt on the political process altogether.

    Your breakdown of the 2010 Senate races is nothing short of fraudulent, not going to mince words. The only reason ANY of those seats even might have been had, is because of the conservative tide rising and lifting those ships, turning those seats competitive in the first place. But when the RNC didn't get the proper, favor trading dues paying party operators they wanted in a primary, they would cut the candidate loose, minimal financial support, etc. The GOP made a conscious choice that they would rather be a status quo minority than risk losing their power structure to someone as bourgeois and tawdry as the will of an engaged, participating constituency.
  5. wgbgator

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    TP also why there is no Majority Leader McConnell and still a Senator Reid.
  6. Gatorrick22

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    Both.
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    Well we sure were in denial about last November's election. We were just sure that Obama would win. Show's what our silly little polls know...
  8. MichiGator2002

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    No, the Tea Party is the only reason no Sen. Reid was even possible. The GOP not actually supporting the properly, legitimately selected Republican nominee because she hadn't sucked enough... favors within the party to be handed that spot the way the GOP prefers to get nominees in place, is why there is still Reid.
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    Well, since you chose not to "mince words" (or back any of your opinions), you just displayed willful blindness, ignorance, or fraudulent interpretations of each of those races. Michael Castle was an incredibly popular ex-Governor and had been US Rep in Delaware for 20 years, winning easily in both 2006 and 2008. He was up double digits in every poll run on the race both early and late.

    Bennet was always vulnerable as an appointed and relatively low name recognition candidate. He barely won his primary despite almost universal support from the big names (exception Bill Clinton went for his opponent). Claiming that race wouldn't have been competitive in a swing state is ridiculous.

    Angle in her first month after winning the primary lost 18% in support according to the polling, the largest one month swing in Senate polling history. She lost by less than 6%. A generic Republican (which is what Angle was to most Nevada voters before her primary win) destroys Reid. Angle lost.

    Lugar would have absolutely wiped the floor with Joe Donnelly, just as he had for decades prior.
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    In the thread title, change GOP to Country and you're on to something.
    The dems and reps are destroying this country and the destruction is now on the fast track.
    Maybe the combination of this current fiasco and Obamacare will be enough for the public to wake up.
  11. DeanMeadGator

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    I believe in the following:

    1. Reducing the deficit that we are burdening our children and grandchildren with.

    2. The federal government has only certain limited powers bestowed on it by the Constitution.

    3. The United States, like every business, family and person, should live within a budget.

    4. The federal government should not intrude further and further into our personal lives.

    5. The courts should not reinterpret the Constitution to deal with social issues.

    6. The government should not continually raise my taxes.

    7. States' rights [a term which one no longer hears] should still exist, and States should exercise the rights bestowed on the States by the Constitution.

    Am I a member of the amorphous group of many citizens of diverse backgrounds sometimes referred to in a sarcastic and demeaning way as the "Tea Party"? If so, why? If so, which one of my beliefs qualify me as a member?

    Is there, in fact, a political party known as the "Tea Party"? I read ballots very carefully, and have never seen anything other than Democrat, Republican or Independent on any ballot.
  12. JerseyGator01

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    If the tea party left the GOP, the pro-life movement/tea party combo would eventually wipe the floor with the Dems and Pubs, especially with any serious campaign finance (i.e. legalized bribery) reform given that both major parties have little in the form of grassroots/volunteer movements.
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    Yeah, there isn't a dimes worth of difference between establishment pubs and dems. I personally could give a crap if the GOP as it stands now, just dies a quick and painful death. Most sensible people gravitate to what the essence of the TP stands for.
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    Totally agree. And let's not forget that all the action is taking place at the state level. The leftist states are going bankrupt and the sensible states are progressing.
  15. DeanMeadGator

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    I agree 100%. I also think that liberals fail to recognize that independents feel exactly the same way that most Americans do. Hence, they come up with a "group" name and make disparaging comments that have no substance.
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    Republicans won't survive with them either. Sucks to be a Republican these days.
  17. candymanfromgc

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    These days-yeah, but it always sucks to be a democrat-everyday past present and future.
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    The Tea Party has seen what decades of liberalism has done to the country. It's a matter of the survival of the country. I've seen this coming for a LONG time and personally don't think we'll survive. Too many stupid people out there and they vote.
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    Us fiscal conservatives want nothing to do with your socially conservative viewpoints and wish you would stop trying to crash our party and pollute the fical responsibility message
  20. JerseyGator01

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    Actually, the pro-life message is the fiscally responsible? How many pro-life groups do you know that receive government money as opposed to the hundreds of millions that Planned Parenthood alone gets every year while destroying our future worker to retiree ratio with their millions of abortions?

    Our government spends like a drunken sailor and is pro-abortion. I don't think that's a coincidence.

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