The FBI sent someone to help spy on the Trump campaign?

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  1. gator_fever

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    Nope and like I said earlier at least with Cohen this does seem to have taken place during the actual campaign and post election time unlike all of Manafort's stuff.

    The mess Mueller pulled with Manafort is what really went off the rails with how he conducted the raid and leaked to the media etc. on something that was many years before the timeline he was given in his initial appointment which said the primary directive was to look into Russia coordination with Trump campaign people during the 2016 election.
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    Not sure your thought process on Manafort, but he was Trump's campaign manager and he is deeply entangled in Russian politics and heavily compensated by them. He is definitely relevant to the investigation even if nothing comes of it that ties back to Trump.
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    From what I understand not one of Mueller's indictments of Manafort has anything to do with Russians specifically or Trump and all the specifics are things that happened well before the 2016 election. When that Judge starts really probing on how Mueller was led to those crimes I don't think its going to look good on the special counsel and all the stuff may be tossed due to it being fruit of the poisonous tree.

    Apparently the Judge thought it was laughable that Mueller got a letter a few days after the Manafort raid expanding the wording of the probe.
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    From the indictment:

    Is 2015-2017 "well before the 2016 election?"
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    So he took money out on real estate he purchased earlier to obtain loans? Like I said nothing to do with Russians and the 2016 election. All the meat of his charges are based on stuff before the election. Of course money that taxes werent paid on etc will continue to be used by someone.
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    You cant make this stuff up. Mueller's gang of incompetent clowns even said in an indictment that this professor was originally uninterested in Paps knowing full well that he was an FBI plant. Paps may skate on these charges also looking at that. Heck Peter Strzok was with the Mueller team in the early periods and he was the # 2 guy over FBI Counter Intelligence.
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    Your initial claim:

    That is false.
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    Not sure who has Paps case but if its Sullivan Mueller better hurry up and comply with discovery because Sullivan made it clear he doesnt care if they have already pled guilty the stuff has to be given over and he will make the call if its something they claim cant be shown due to sources etc. I bet Mueller's team never gave this up about the FBI plant to the Judge or Paps lawyers.
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    How would the investigation complete their finding when the entity which is being replaced investigated won’t release the investigation and stonewalls the subpoena?
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    Well, what would be indictable about Manafort working for the Russians to install a puppet leader in Lithuania? And whatever else he was working on for Russian billionaire oligarchs.

    That clearly indicates a relationship one would have questions about for the Campaign Manager of a POTUS candidate, especially if he is making contact with Russian agents during the campaign, and Russians are actively involved in trying to interfere in the election.

    But it's not indictable.

    No doubt Mueller and company are trying to use other crimes he has committed as leverage to give up information on what he knows and was communicating with the Russians about, and possibly tie back to Trump. I don't see that as a bad thing if we're trying to get to the root of Russian interference in our elections.
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    I would love nothing more than that arrogant liar Brennan to be nailed for his role in this scheme.
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    IF this was occurring prior to foreign intelligence services contacting us about Russian agents and Trump campaign officials having suspicious communications, I agree with you.

    If this was a response to us being informed about those suspicious communications, then its a different thing altogether. I think.
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    They never had any valid intelligence to apply for the warrants or to be sending people in to spy on a POTUS candidate. All they had was fiction basically that they couldn't confirm and known disinformation.
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    As I recall, they had unsolicited reports from seven or eight different foreign intelligence services on Trump officials having suspicious communications with Russian agents who were under surveillance.

    Essentially, other countries were coming to us and saying - you guys need to check this out.

    It would have been malfeasance for us not to investigate the officials who were in contact with Russian agents.
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    In either case ... I hope they were wearing their body cams ... and had them on while on duty. :D

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    The Daily Caller. Nice source. Notably, it leaves out that the guy actually was working for the CIA or FBI.

    This meeting was three months after Alexander Downer, who was based in London, told the FBI that Papadapolous had told Downer in April that the Russians had the hacked e-mails and the FBI had opened the counter-intel investigation. Meanwhile, foreign intel services had recorded Trump's people in suspicious conversations with the Russians they were monitoring.

    Were the foreign intel services supposed to not investigate? Was the FBI supposed to not investigate Papadapolous? Ludicrous. Arguments are madehere that the investigation was started without evidence. Yet, when the government had evidence concerning Papadapolous, they were supposed to ignore it?
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    Mueller had nothing to do with the searched on Manafort. That was a Virginia FBI office. The Cohen FBI raid was by the SD New York office.
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    If true This is a lot worse than Watergate
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    The Professor referred to in the Papadapolous plea is Misfud.