The Enabler Speaks...

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    Thanks for the memories, Gray. A couple of comments:

    1) It was Big Money Warren that recovered that fumble, not McGrew. And, btw, that was the worst loss in UF football history.
    2) I believe that Sam McCorkle was a Gator from the same era. I well remember the kid from Dothan that you are talking about, though. It seems like his mane was Gipson or Gibson or Gilmer - something like that. Anyway, what is also forgotten is that Mike Martin had already kicked that kid off the baseball team for life before Bobby kept him on the football team and later suspended him for an infraction that happened after Martin had kicked him off the baseball team. So there is precedent at fsu for letting a baseball suspension take care of a football player's sins.
    3) Who can forget that big starting DT from Niceville - name escapes me - from the same era that spent all of his time in jail except for football-related activities, when a deputy would take him to practice or game and then escort him back to jail - and then do it all again the next day?
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    Respectfully, (and I know this is off-topic) I submit that the 2009 SEC Championship Game was the worst loss in Gator history. This program has been in a free-fall ever since.
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    It could be. We were definitely the most talented team in the country that year. And under performed all year long.

    We really shat ourselves that day in particular, and with the exception of the Sugar Bowl that year, we've never been the same since.
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    Correct about Gerard Warren. I just had McGrew in my mind. Lol

    The fsu DB was Sean McCorkle, not Sam. I knew we both had McCorkles a few years apart.

    Not sure but wasnt the fsu player from Niceville Julian Pittman?
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    I think you're right. Pittman actually got dismissed from school after a burglary, but Bowden appealed it and got Pittman back the last four games of the season.

    http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/19...8_1_donald-heaven-bobby-bowden-julian-pittman

    http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/042098/college.col_1c6fsudr.html
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    Quite frankly, any suspension that takes place from athletics should always start with the primary athletic activity. Since football is how he is getting his scholarship, that is where a mandatory suspension should exist (if the action is suspension worthy). Naturally, a coach from the non-primary sport should suspend the player too if that sport is in season (if the action is suspension worthy).
    My point is, if you are getting a scholarship to play football and you step out of line at any point in the year, then the scholarship sport is the one that really needs to set the tone here.
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    I say we put all our football players in summer sport rosters, and if they get in trouble, they can be suspended in those sports. That's basically Jimbo's mentality here.
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    Ummm.....

    Maybe you mean, "Go down in flames"? Just askin'... :)
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    The scholarship sport did set the tone. Pretty consistent with the tone they've always set with star players.

    Some walk on tuba players will probably pay the price for Winston's activities.
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    Yes. Julian Pittman. In jail all day, with visits from his tutors, and out for FB practice and games. His HS coach was a groomsman in my wedding. Julian Pitman. Thanks.
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    Respectfully disagree. That honor has got to go to the Georgia Southern loss last year. Absolutely inexcusable.
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    A solid case, but did one not proceed from the other?
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    I feel that way sometimes but I'd have to say "free fall" doesn't take into account the 2012 season which included the humiliation of the team we should be talking about here.
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    If they're female tuba players, they probably already have!

    :eek:
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    I'd say that was the most embarrassing loss and since the season was already crashing in flames, I'd go with either one of the previously named games
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    bobby said, alluding to Spurrier, it's easier to kick them off the team if they get in trouble than to keep them and make better men out of them.
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    LOL I remember that. The Bob was talking about his jumior starter and veteran who tried to elicit an undercover cop for sex in Frenchtown in Tally. Can't remember the player's name at the moment, but Bobby was talking about taking away their scholley as punishment, which he never did with this player and he also didn't miss his game v.s. UF that year either.

    Of course, that same year I believe, or within a couple of years, Spurrier threw Andre (Reche) Caldwell off the team for stealing from his teammates' lockers as a freshman, and what did he do? He allowed him back without his schollie for that next year.
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    I'm pretty sure you mean Jabar Gaffney.
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    [quote="The_Graygator, post: 7372100, member: 6207"

    Of course, that same year I believe, or within a couple of years, Spurrier threw Andre (Reche) Caldwell off the team for stealing from his teammates' lockers as a freshman, and what did he do? He allowed him back without his schollie for that next year.[/quote]

    As UF Taipan points out, it was Gaffney not Caldwell.

    Also, SOS didn't "allow him back," he was off the team for one year and had to pay his own way.

    Fact is, if Jabar wasn't related to Derrick Gaffney he probably would have been kicked out permanently, SOS always had a soft spot for ex-Gators and Gator lore.

    Finally, no one remembers but Gaffney was not a highly regarded recruit, he was the #2 WR on his HS team, again, SOS offered him due to the family connection.

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