Tesla issues continue to mount

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  1. WarDamnGator

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    That's *probably* not true. All the car makers were given various "rebates" to offer for electric and hybrid vehicles, but it was limited to a certain number of cars produced, and scaled to the type of alternative fuel used. The more efficient, and less pollution, the higher the rebate. Companies like Toyota and Honda, who were early adopters, burned through their Hybrid credits quickly, but I think they still have some EV credits left on new all-EV cars. Tesla is probably still getting their credits because they are newer, sell fewer cars, and are all EVs that have higher rebates. But they will eventually burn through their credits, as well.
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    I think they have like some 30 minute super charger thing in the works, which isn't great compared to refueling, but if this catches on they'll probably have charging stations at truck stops and diners along the interstate where you can stop and charge while you eat.

    They were also working on a machine that would automatically swap your battery with a charged battery in just a few minutes, but my problem with that is if I buy a new Tesla, with a band new battery, I wouldn't want to exchange that for some unknown battery.
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    is there a % of profit you think they should be allowed to make?
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    The already have something like that. Maybe the one you read about is for home use?

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    Which is why I continue to marvel at Tesla. I'm a huge fan of what Musk has accomplished, but I scratch my head about Tesla.

    How does a company that never turns a profit continue to have such a following?
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    Their product.

    Do people care if PornHub is turning a profit? :)
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    Because its the cool thing to be because he will get someone to Mars and back soon even though that isn't happening for quite a long time besides the joke stories people read in the news.

    He is a good carnival barker and his nonsense about sending people to Mars by 2024 is about the biggest joke I have ever heard. We won't be sending anyone to Mars and back prior to 2033 or so is my guess if even then.
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    People like Tesla automobiles because SpaceX?

    To categorize Musk as simply a carnival barker seems to sell the man short, to say the least.

    What he's done to the automotive and aerospace industries is unprecedented. You may not believe he can deliver, and you certainly have that right, but your tone seems dismissive of his ambition and abilities, for which there's little evidence to support such pessimism.
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    I'm going to have to ponder this one.;)
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    He is a carnival barker that can sell his vehicles due to the large tax breaks. Take those away and you get a big crash just like that country in Europe that did it and had to reinstate them to get sales going again.

    The carnival barker stuff is mostly about his joke Martian mission claims which are complete fantasy in reality and just used to get his name in the news.
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    Your tax break claims have been debunked enough times, I'm not going to bother. Feel free to hold onto whatever beliefs you'd like.

    As for fantasy and reality, EV cars seemed fantasy not long ago and aerospace scientists long believed reusability to be an impossibility. Yet here we are. Thanks to a carnival barker.
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    No they haven't and sales did crash in that country until they reinstated them. You can sign up to be on Musk's 2024 manned Mars mission I guess since you buy into the carnival barker.
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    Porsche is beating them to the punch. The Mission E (or whatever they are calling it upon release - Taycan?) has a high voltage charging system that they're standardizing with other euro manufacturers. It can take an 80 percent charge in 15 minutes, which will get you 250 miles. 2020 models go on sale next year.

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    I get that you don't like him for some reason, but it's kind of hard to pretend he hasn't accomplished a great deal when you can literally watch his rockets launch, and dock with the ISS.

    Not too many carnival barkers have something like this to back up their barking.
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    That E/Taycan looks sick, though the original 2door/suicide concept looked even better.

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    I think charging speed will continue to improve, along with range. Eventually, the range will make it so the only time you'll care about charging time is on long (5+ hour) road trips. We're approaching that now. Then, if it's down to :15, that's hardly a barrier or inconvenience as most stops on long road trips take 10-20 minutes or more no matter what you drive.

    Standardized charging is going to be the norm. We'll have to get through the platform wars, but something will win out.
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    Wow, it does look great at that angle. I see a lot of Cayman in the shape. Full disclosure, I'm a Porschephile, have a Cayman S and a 911 S Cabriolet in the garage. I think Porsche is about to define the premium electric segment. They have handling and build quality expertise that Tesla would take years to develop.
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    What? Obama's not in office to crack him off a few billion to keep him afloat anymore?
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    Maybe because the company's founder supports UBI.
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    Better close all those Walmarts that are getting subsidies (local). What about cattle and sugar in Florida.
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    Also coal. Propping up coal won’t add many jobs but it will increase pollution.