Ted Cruz and Jesse Helms

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    We'll call this rule #1 of politics and public speaking.
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    first of all, I didn't say he was a racist. But the link made a pretty good case about Cruz's similarity to Helms on a number of issues: gays, Voting Rights Act, disdain for moderates within the party, idiotic culture war statements ....
    When it comes Cruz's understanding of Helms' foreign policy positions, then, yes, he's pretty ignorant.
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    Scratching my head. Instead of arguing over conservative/liberal values, why not have American values? I've always been able to tell who was a radical reactionary, whether they be on the far right, or the far left because they both have the same thing in common. They both have imagined enemies that are "destroying our nation."

    American values, if we're honest with ourselves, are a combination of conservative and liberal values. It should try to help the poor while building wealth for us all; it should try to lead the world without exploiting or dominating it; it should not be ashamed of a faith in God but should never discriminate against those of different beliefs; and it should try to figure out balances between those "right and left" policy disputes, such as protection of the environment versus encouraging development. Compromise isn't a dirty word, and even our Constitution is a collection of compromises between competing interests. If you find a Senator or Congressman, whether they be in the right or left, who refuses to compromise, then you can be sure they are an extremist.
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    dishonest reach.Where did Cruz say "I idolize him for his racists views?"
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    Strom Thurmond,maybe.

    Helms ,not so sure.Did he support Thurmond in 1948?Did he walk out of the 1948 Democratic Convention?
    His electoral career was as a Republican
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    Are you racist if you openly praise Thomas Jefferson?

    Time magazine listed Jefferson as the only American in its list of the top Ten greatest people of the last millennium. Was Time Magazine racist?
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    harwil, you're a Teapartier, aren't you? You should know this stuff since the Dixiecrats and Tea Party have so much in common.

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    As with almost anything, it depends on the context and how you do it.
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    Not to let facts get in the way, but didn't Helms become great friends with Bono after Helms got solidly on board with fighting AIDS in Africa?

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/people/2005-12-13-bono-jesse-helms_x.htm


    Hmm- and there's blacks in Africa. Surely Jesse knew this. So if Helms was a crazy racist, who hated people with AIDS and black people, why would Jesse get on board with this plan?

    Or maybe there's more to someone than things they did and said 30-50 years ago in the heat of a campaign?
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    No I'm not.I'm also not a fan of Jesse Helms. I also checked several cites for Jesse Helms and the 1948 presidential election and none have said he supported Thurmond in 1948 or was active in the 1948 election.
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    I'm not a fan of Jesse Helms either, but that doesn't mean he wasn't right about some things.
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    He was also very proud of getting Cofi Aman(sp?), an African married to a Caucasian, to be a commencement speaker at one of North Carolina 's universities
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    the left is more hung up on racism than just about anything else with maybe the exception of redistribution of the wealth
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    Well then how do you explain the GOP majorities in governors offices and state legislatures. I guess if you don't take a party serious, put them in charge? What a stupid comment.
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    Mistakes that voters regret. Check out the approval ratings of those governors.

    The rest are where the wackos live, like Kansas.
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    the biggest regret I think most voters have is your beloved prezBO
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    3 years and 4 months until Hillary's inauguration.

    Hang in there.
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    I think most Republicans and Democrats alike would agree that Senator Howard Baker (R) TN was among the most respected Senators of the last 50 years. Richard Nixon wanted him on the Supreme Court before nominating Rehnquist but he later oversaw the Watergate Hearings and served as Ronald Reagan's Chief of Staff following Iran/Contra. Liberal icon Mario Cuomo even said Baker would've made a great President. When asked on Larry King Live in 1999 who was the hardest Senator to work with Baker quickly responded, "Jesse Helms". An incredulous King expecting him to name a Democrat replied, "Well, he's one of your own." and Baker added, "No, he's not." The true conservatives with integrity in the Republican Party found Helms to be an embarrassment and uncompromising. I realize that Helms tried to make amends at the end (so did George Wallace) but there was too much damage done by then. He left a legacy of intolerance.
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    Fred, have no idea who you are referring to or what you are talking about. Name names. Governors that have to clean up a mess are not going to be popular initially. But we are speaking of a pretty good sized majority. And state legislatures (also dominated by Pubs) are comprised of many members...so voters regret those votes?

    Ready, aim shoot your motto?
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    For Helms, Cruz's first mistake is that his last name is Cruz...oh the irony...:ninja:

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