Ted Cruz and Jesse Helms

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    I think maybe you guys are changing the subject on Mr. Cruz just a tiny bit.
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    Or, for a real life example that Cruz must remember, "When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over the years, either."

    Seems like that one went over about as well as a lead balloon too.
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    Exactly. And, unfortunately, I'm sure that there are some on this board that would agree with this sentiment.
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    huh? I really don't know what your point is. I thought the issue Cruz's admiration for Helms and some similarities in their stands on issues.
    What does that have to do with Byrd?
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    The point is simple. It isn't necessary to endorse the entire life of a particular person in order to agree with them. Policy wise Helms was primarily known as a cold warrior and budget hawk. Is it necessary to imply that Cruz endorses a racist past simply because he cites his agreement with Helms on the issues with which he is most identified, when speaking at a Jesse Helms Heritage Foundation event?
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    Don't forget about him being primarily known as a Dixiecrat.
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    Only among those who festishize the political opposition's failings.
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    It is understandable that Pubs are unable to recognize or accept the total essence of Jesse Helms' beliefs.
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    I am not concerned about Cruz's remarks

    as far as Jesse Helms-he accomplished a lot of good for NC-as I said earlier people do change -his remarks that are now construed as racist were not considered so in the 50's and 60's


    I am more concerned about the ........ in the wh now and his inability to lead
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    Because you will support any nut on your team.

    It's why the GOP isn't taken seriously nationally.
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    You don't think that attacking a political opponent for wanting the "mingling of races" was pretty racist in the 1950s. I get that Racism was more accepted in the South then, but how was it not considered racist?
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    Its not racist if he's in your party. It's just having similar values.
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    Jennifer Rubin:

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    So he's in error rather than racist. Thanks
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    I never took it as an indication that Ted Cruz is a racist, more as an indicator that Ted Cruz has shockingly bad judgment.

    He's so eager to stake out his position as the "true conservative" that he laid claim to a position that I don't think anyone (at least no one that we should take seriously as a political voice) actually believes. Namely that America would be a better place if we had more Jesse Helmses around.

    If you're going to throw every bit of decorum to the wind and do it anyways, you have to at the very least separate what about Jesse Helms you agree with from the underlying facts that, no matter some of his political values, Jesse Helms was more or less an awful person. And the failure to do so is even more strikingly foolish when the non-monstrous elements of Jesse Helms are, in large part, ones that you don't really agree with either.
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    I think this is mostly just the left looking for some way to discredit Cruz

    Cruz is not the first nor will he be the last politician to stick his foot in his mouth

    The race card is the main play in the playbook for the left
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    Everyone (on the left) is jumping on the anti Cruz bandwagon. He must be striking a few nerves. Same thing happened to Reagan.

    Tired of allowing the democrats, Pub talking heads and media to pick the Pub candidate. 2016 should be a battle of ideas.
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    If you don't want to be called a racist, don't openly praise racists.
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    face it,, there are racists in GOP and racists in Dem, and inTea Party, and Libertarian.

    Sadly though, Ted Cruz is exposing himself as a racist and cons are trying so hard to ignore that about him

    this thread isn't about Dems who are racists(there are plenty of existing threads on that)

    This is about Ted Cruz who appears just as racist towards blacks as Jesse Helms. Else he wouldn't idolize him on racial issues
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    there you go. Cruz says some really stupid things, and it's the left's fault.

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