Ted Cruz and Jesse Helms

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    How about if we just use 1975 standards? :)
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    go ahead and tell me what you found and how old you were in 1975
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    I suspect that if Republicans were polled on whether or not they think the MLK holiday should be repealed the poll would easily have close to half if not more of the Pubs saying yes. But of course the party has been drifting to the right for some time now.
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    Oh, I was but a twinkle in my father's eye in 1975. I was just making a joke, predicated on the idea that even in 1975 standards, Helms was viewed by many as a vile bigot.
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    Created by Helms when he worked for Willis Smith: an attack ad against then Senator Frank Graham:

    http://politicalquotes.org/node/56010

    I'm not sure it gets more directly racist than that.
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    Whatever his positive qualities may have been, Jesse Helms was an unvarnished old school Southern racist.

    If Cruz says we need 100 like Helms in the Senate, Cruz is at best ignorant of history and/or tone deaf, and at worst signalling that he shares all of Helms' views.
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    That did not come up in my search but if accurate is not good- typical for mid 1950's south however- people can and do evolve and change their thinking however- but still not good
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    I think Jesse's biggest problem is that he didnt evolve, unlike many other Southerners.
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    You know, I read Cruz' speech and it doesn't mention race relations or the need to repeal Federal civil rights legislation. Seems to be concerned with international diplomacy and the advisory role of the Senate. Of course, we wouldn't want to discuss that right now, now would we?
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    Exactly! We need unity for all the peoples of America, not special treatment of certain individuals that were never even elected to office.

    Ben Franklin is far more worthy to be acknowledged for his accomplishments for America than for what MLK ever did... it's not even close.
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    Except for Robert Byrd, right?
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    People can be wrong about some things and right about others. Even people giving speeches. It happens.
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    I just hear the excuses coming. It does not matter what era you grew up in. You're a racist.

    Jefferson was a racist although he believed in the abolition of slavery.
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    No, not really. Is anyone suggesting that?
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    Why so intolerant of white racists, if in fact Cruz is one, but not critical of black leadership racism?
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    Because there is no such thing as black racism.
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    So evidently you reject everything he stood for. Thanks for the clarification.
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    I liked Helms' nickname - Senator No. I wish we had 100 Senator No's instead of the current gaggle of spendthrifts and extra-constitutionalists. (Keep the race-baiting stuff to yourself - I am not addressing that issue, and I expect non-partisan, mature adults would recognize neither was Cruz.)
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    Byrd was conrtrite and a reformed white sheeter! :lie:
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    Cruz should have qualified what he said. It's like saying "if only we had more Nixons as President"...it doesn't go over too well. And Cruz wants to be President? Good Lord.

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