Teams Defensive schemes against UF

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  1. phideltdj
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    I know it is obvious that the defensive game plans against UF will be stack the box against the run and force them to prove they can pass over the top. I think teams will play tight on the short routes and take their chances with their corners on the outside that UF can't get deep on them. We have to make some vertical plays against UM to win the game so I am hoping we see at least 5 passess downfield to keep the safeties honest.
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    If our oline and the running back stable come as hungry angry and focused as I think they will, I don't think it will matter if scUM gets to have 13 defenders on the field at once. We will run them over and enforce our will on them as the game goes. I suspect by the second half in the heat down there you will see holes start opening wider and the mighty Gators springing long run after run just like we did against f$u last year in their house! Go Gators!
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    If teams consistently put 8 men in "the box" then they risk the inevitable 3-yard draw play and counter (see Alabama, unstoppable 3-yard play) along with the horrific sight of a mobile, huge, quarterback rolling out and dumping a short pass to a wide-open receiver 3 yards past a safety who is playing linebacker. Driskel may not be Tom Brady, but he can throw the out (yes, he throws it excruciatingly slowly) and he can roll and even take off when needed. If this worked, every team would do it to Alabama but it is hard to stop a team that can get 200-yard rushing performances week after week by simply stacking the line and hoping they never adjust.
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    Another aspect is that all eight-men boxes are not the same. For instance, you can't really throw vertical against a zone dog. That's the genius of the scheme: you can stock the box, but still keep three deep and protect against quarterback scrambles. There are other ways to attack it, such as the sprint option or the perimeter passing game, where big linemen now find themselves filling gapes in space or chasing down passes outside the hashes, or play action into the seems of the zone, ordinarily over top of linebackers or defensive ends scrambling to get into the middle zone because they bit on the play fake. Not really sure what Miami will do, to be honest. I suspect most defensive coordinators stay up at night worrying about Driskel's mobility, since it is the one thing you can't always account for, so a hefty dose of zone dogs make sense.
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    So what do you expect us to do to attack this d that you anticipate
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    This "stacking the box" strategy everyone thinks was used and will be used was really not used much by Toledo. Watch the tape.
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    Look, guys like Andre Ware know much more about offensive schemes and playing QB than anyone on these boards and he stated repeatedly that UF was going to have to throw the ball downfield for this offense to be effective in the future. So if a team is supposedly stacking the box, then why in the hell arent we doing it?
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    He probably does not know our personnel all that well, he has a lot of teams to keep track of
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    I don't remember how Toledo lined up against this formation, but I loved the play where we were showing power running play with Joyer, plus two TEs lined up to the right, then ran a toss sweep to the left and Showers scampered for almost 30 yards. I don't know that many "stacked box" schemes would have stopped that play.

    UF's offense is in the business of exploiting mis-matches. Stacked boxes are often full of them, having the right personnel in the wrong place at the wrong time. That's what's great about having a defensive genius as a head coach. He may not know exactly the right play to run, but he knows what makes a defense vulnerable. Pease knows how to make the most of the opportunity.
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    I know not what defensive scheme Miami will use, but it won't be the best defense the Gators see this season. The offense needs to put some points on the board vs this team.
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    Yeah and you would think thats what most teams would be doing against us (stacking the box) yet we constantly hear over and over in post-game interviews how we just dinked and dunked them because the opponent was playing 2-deep with their safeties,so we just took what the defense gave us. Its hard to verify that by watching on television, but why would any team do that against us when we have no proven wide receivers, a quarterback who is still kind of learning on the job, and a team that hasn't had a vertical element to their passing game in years?
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    No.......CWM isn't allowing Pease to run the offense... Pease needs to be allowed to run the offense. ..time to take off the training wheels, and start throwing it down field. .anybody can coach an offense with CWM strategy. Run 1st and 2nd and try to pass on 3rd...time to threaten some defenses. ..it's not all about being physically dominant. .. cmon man!
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    Oh yeah, that's right will wants to be fired. Genius.
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    He also isn't a coach and doesn't scheme for opponents. At best, he watches a little film, but doesn't implement an offense or defensive scheme, doesn't prepare game plans on a weekly basis, and doesn't call plays. I would bet that most here know our personnel and scheme better than he does, at last coming into the season.

    Ultimately, he is right that at some level you can beat a stacked box by throwing it deep, but that isn't the only way to beat it and in a single play it isn't always the best way to beat it.
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    This is pure fiction. How often does Boise throw it deep?
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    So is the staff lying? Or are you suggesting that they can't read a defense?
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    Do not believe this at all.
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    When Pease was there they threw the ball all the time. ...and down field a lot. .. Muschamp needs to leave the offensive scheme and play calling to the offensive coach. ..that's why Pease is here, to run his offense.
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    Not that I recall. They are essentially a West Coast-based scheme with a variety of personnel packages, unbalanced formations, and alignment shifts, and the WC was never a deep ball scheme, but replaced runs with play action passes to backs and exploited zone schemes with seem routes.
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    Congratulations. Feel free to argue why, unless your sole goal is to use Andre Ware to criticize the coaching staff without granting that they might actually know more than Ware.

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