Teacher has Sex with 10 Year Old

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  1. G8trGr8t
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    And gets reassigned to a non-contact position with pay. If this doesn't tell you one of the big problems with our educational system and the unions that control it I don't know what to tell you.

    even with the e-mails and the testimony of the child they cannot fire him yet...wtf


    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...st-PS-386-212184031.html?_osource=nbcnewsmore
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    The whole thing is gross. (Why do we have so many nauseating stories lately?) However, I don't think it is crazy to move him away from students until there is a court verdict. Probably guilty and deserves more than a firing, but it is supposedly 'innocent until proven guilty', so...
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    The teacher's Unions love to protect these kinds of sleazebags. He will be in sign sing soon enough. :wave: Pervert.
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    This particular instance is attributable in large part to the statutory provisions of New York's Education Code relating to the discipline of a tenured teacher and isn't really representative of the country as a whole.

    New York's Education Code at Section 3020-a lays out the process for disciplining a tenured teacher and, with some exceptions, entitles the teacher to a hearing. This in itself creates additional issues in the City because they have a shortage of hearing arbitrators, and periodically the ones that they do have stop hearing cases or resign because the City isn't paying them, so a backlog builds up.

    3020-a(2)(b) provides that:

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    disgusting-guy should be thrown under the jail
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    If this person worked in a private school setting they would and should have been terminated. Again, we go back to the unionizing of public employees. Public employee unions should not exist.
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    he'll be "suspended with pay" for months and then the union will make the city keep paying him and his obscene pension.
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    As I noted above, this isn't really about anything that "the union" is doing, it's that under NY law they can't fire him (or suspend him without pay) without first giving him a hearing unless he has already been convicted.

    This is exacerbated by the huge backlog of pending hearings the NYC Department of Education has.
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    It sounds like a law that was passed by politicians who want the support of unions.
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    That may well be true, but I don't think that it's terribly popular on any side since it is also the law that gave rise to NYC's infamous "rubber rooms" that the unions despised (while NYC got rid of the actual "rubber rooms" full of suspended teachers sitting around all day, the only change is that they don't all get put in big rooms together anymore). The unions don't really like it because it makes clearing teachers so that they can go back to work take forever as well.
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    We've had some cases like that in Buffalo & it's the same thing. Unions run everything up here...still. Guy should be in jail...or worse.
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    Sorry but this is a union deal with the state of NY. It's th only conceivable way this person has been reassigned with pay.
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    My point is that the union doesn't have to do anything at all to get that result, because it's the only thing the law allows the school to do.

    I'm not contending that it's a smart law (or that the union isn't the reason that law originally passed, even though they don't like a lot of what it has resulted in), just that the statute I quoted above is why this happens.
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    Do you think this would happen in a private school?
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    In the late 60s, my dad blew the whistle on a teacher who was sexually active with multiple students in his NJ Jr High school. His two superiors told him to shut up if he wanted to keep his job. We moved an hour away to another school system the following year I believe. Those two superiors now have schools named after them. The offending party in now a local major donor to at least one Dem politician.

    CORRUPTION RULES!!!!!
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    That part of the New York Education Code doesn't apply to private schools and as I said it's the sole reason for this result, so no.
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    What? Due process? Perhaps not.
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    Of course it doesn't apply to private schools, and why do you think that would be?
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    Because the state doesn't have the authority to legislate the administrative hiring and firing procedures of non-governmental private entities the same way that it does its own governmental bodies.
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    Because typically private school teachers aren't union members. If they aren't good teachers, they don't last long as teachers at the private schools.

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