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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by fastsix, Sep 26, 2013.
Their lifestyles are being upset for them.
Not really. Minor inconveniences for most.
We should all be very happy that:
1. No one will tell us the daily rate of interest on $17 trillion is.
2. Federal spending is running amok.
3. We are stealing from our children and grandchildren to support spending more and more money that we do not have.
4. No one among those who favor out of control spending is sacrificing to help pay back one cent of the national debt.
5. The federal government has far exceeded the powers that were granted to it by the United States Constitution.
6. Health care premiums are going up.
7. The Congress, which passed ObamaCare, refuses to be subjected to it and abide by the law.
8. Organized efforts are being made to convert America to a secular society.
9. Health insurance premiums that young people will have to pay are rapidly rising.
If you are in favor of spending money we do not have and cannot repay, please state why. Please state who will repay it and when.
Also, please advise what the daily accrual of interest is on a $17 trillion debt. State how much of that interest is being repaid each day.
My wife and I came from and started with very little, got married at 19 and 22, have been married for 46 years, saved our money, put three children through college and have no debt. No one has given us anything. I'm still working full time at nearly 69 years old to pay for our health insurance. We have not taken any money from the "government" [to wit, from those who work hard to pay taxes] and do not want hard working Americans to support us.
I believe in the Constitution, not borrowing more than can be repaid, and not paying excessive taxes. I believe in giving our children and grandchildren a better life than we have. I believe in America [having served 4 years during the war in 'Nam] and the principles and values that have kept the dream alive since our country was founded.
10. None of this mattered until a Democrat became President.
^^^ Yes. Ironic that the Tea Party will not compromise in the least over the national debt and a balanced budget, yet for 20 years of Republican president not only were they more than willing to compromise their "true conservative" beliefs, but they were not even willing to voice an objection.
Truth is that this country could not pay back the national debt after Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush 2. We really can't do it now after the additional debt under Obama.
So none of this, by either party, is for the best interest of our country. It's all just political bantering as usual.
But most Americans still revere the original Tea Partiers ... the violent ones.
Revere? Nice pun... Paul Revere.
Give it time.
Actually, not true. Obama was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. We were extremely pissed at Bush for starting the bailout ball rolling. It takes time to organize and by the time we did it was almost 2 months into Obama's 1st term.
You are uninformed. I actually asked 17 TP affiliates and none ever heard of Freedom Works until the movement became popular. In fact, we started our chapter (unorganized at the time) even before the media got wind of it. I don't recall anyone from any conservative organization ever coming to us until that summer. I should know, I'm one of the founders in the Birmingham area.
Now, if you want to tie FW to say the national chapter, you might be able to do it. But there are almost 100 local chapters that have nothing to do with the national one.
Think about it for a minute. Obama is practically hated by many on the right. The Obamacare legislation is supposed to ruin the country in a lot of people's opinions. They see him as weak, crooked, immoral, and basically useless. And that's on a good day.
Now with all of this and all of the guarantees he would not be reelected he still had an easy time of it in the last election. Where were all of those people who were so upset and going to do something drastic. Hell, they couldn't get off their butts long enough to go vote so I doubt there going to do anything even remotely close to radical.
All hat and no cattle comes to mind. I think you are fairly young so you might actually do something but if you wait for all of those I talked about earlier to do anything that will seriously disrupt their lifestyle you will be waiting a long time.
Its OK. Being manipulated by puppet masters is part of the deal.
The fundamental insolvency of the nation is past questioning, as is the aging of the population. Both factors are intertwined, and create negative feedbacks in the economy. Older people consume and invest less within the private economy, which is where all goods and services are produced. I don't think we've scratched the surface, unless miraculous AI robot slaves suddenly create a different kind of prosperity, followed of course by another kind of dystopia.
taxes have been going down for decades with no offset in spending...its not time to decrease revenue anytime soon....getting the spending more in order is primary
on a side note...there is no "Tea Party" on the ballot
these people vote Republican
prior to the co-opting after Rick Santelly's rant on the stock floor, the Tea Party were Libertarians, Ron Paul supporters, who were much more Libertarian focused. They had no interest in the pet issues of the far right. They actually overlapped some issues with the OWS movement (Campaign Finance Reform, Fed, Crony Capitalism, Glass-Steegal), which is why they would often be seen at OWS events.
That was abruptly ended with Santelli's rant, and conservative big money swooped in to co-opt it. Now its a bastion of what it's intent was, and for all intent and purposes, is just the voice of the far right wing, with big money behind it now.
This is proof liberals should have no say in any political debate. Talk about being lead by the puppet masters. Actually, liberals are more like drug addicts in which the government is the drug dealer. Everything is fine as long as they get their fix, but watch out for those nasty withdrawals if the drug isn't available.
Like I said, the national TP had zero say in our movement. They had the money and even the media, but they are dying while the original founders are still going at it, strong as ever. We kind of figured things out and how to implement change without being in the limelight. The national TP is too much like MoveOn.org where a few dictate the many. They don't even care about the meaning behind the movement. So while they get the spotlight, the 10s of thousands in the local chapters are working together and ignoring the national charlatans. We figure to enact change in Washington, you have to first start at the local level and work your way up.
I'm sure the Tea Party support has nothing to do with the IRS trying to kill it's funding...
It's still here and it's the future of the Party.
you keep saying this doesn't make it true
as for the IRS, all they did was scrutinize whether these groups should not be taxed...hardly "killing its funding"
liberals are now defending illegal "scrutiny" of private groups because their leader that ordered the "scrutiny" is a liberal--absolutely classic!