Surgeon vs. Plumber

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    We need to work on this... ;)
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    Like I said, good for you. No, I don't build free houses. I can't afford to do that.
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    You really want to argue about medical billing and insurance procedures? I don't.
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    Geez, you guys are touchy. I used normal to mean not like an NBA player, CEO, or seat holder on the exchange. Nothing bad was implied about you.
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    As I recall the other guy compared his pay unfavorably to plumbers, and said not one word about Obama, nor did I.

    Once again, the only ones showing envy on this thread - for some unknown reason which keeps reoccurring - are doctors pretending they wished they made what plumber's do. I would love to make doctor's money - as would probably 95% of other Americans, including my plumber - but I hate guts, too much responsibility, and I like what I do. You're welcome to the money, just quit the whining about it not being enough, OK? Plenty of med school apps if you haven't noticed.

    BTW, I'll take my link - and evidence of consumption patterns - over your anecdotes on doc pay.
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    It's not billing procedures, it's common sense. You either admitted to stiffing doctors on their bills, or admitted you don't understand the pretty basic premise of your insurance communicating with you. Either way, you don't look so good.

    So do you not pay your bills or did you not understand what an EOB is?
    I didn't get your answer.
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    Gee, that's terrible. Who would do those things?

    But hey, glad you don't envy both plumbers and dentists, even though it sounds like you think you should. What character!
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    You don't get it, do you?
    His point: what are you going to do about a plumber's bill? Complain?
    What do liberals say about his bill? TOO HIGH!! CHANGE THE SYSTEM!!
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    Damn those plumbers!

    (This is unbelievable.)
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    Sounds like someone who isn't friends with any doctors.

    I'm sure you and your link will be very happy together. I now pronounce this couple, man and link!
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    Now dpm, (and Q), if I were liberal and were envious of doctors, the argument I would pursue is "you darn doctors are parasites and leeches, all you do is suck Medicare dry. You are as reliant on government as the welfare queens and disability fakers you despise! Boy, would I love for Obama to teach you a lesson and privatize Medicaid, Medicare, and Tricare and force you to compete against each other to see what you're really worth!"
    I would absolutely agree with this argument, and would welcome this proposal 100%, as I truly believe I should be paid fair market value. I am not afraid of competition or hard work. Instead, the liberals take us out of the free market, tie our hands behind our backs, make us divert all our profits from patient care to fulfilling bureaucratic paperwork and regulations, and then bemoan the fact that we still have money to take home to our families every day despite all their attempts to subjugate us.
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    I don't stiff anyone, even doctors. How about you?

    So you do want to argue about medical billing - at last, someone!

    Yes, I am confused by medical bills which fall like confetti, lack detail, and ever changing bottom lines. Fortunately they get smaller if you wait. Now it s true that I am a simple man and not as bright probably as your typical medical services consumer, even though in the course of my business I create spreadsheets, do 20 page estimates with documented costs, CAD drawings, legal proposals and contracts, and detailed 20 page bills - again with documented costs - and on occasion write my own well argued and angry letters to the few who have tried to not pay me (with mixed success I admit) all of which I strive to and succeed at making understandable to my customers, I also have to get actual physical work done in the field, involving buying materials, negotiating with subs, overseeing employees and all in a timely fashion and all bearing on whether I lose my ass or make a reasonable amount on the job. I also aced calculus. So, I'm probably not as smart as your average patient who you imply doesn't have trouble with medical bills and insurance forms. I mean after all, like doctor's hours, office visits when you feel like s..t, office waits, and on call rotations, this stuff isn't for the benefit of the patient, so why would we expect to be able to read it.
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    If you don't like the plumber's price, call another one - that's what he did with success. Most of us have kind of lost our leverage when we are - you know - like dying or feeling like we might. Almost as bad as a blown water heater, though not many go bankrupt on that.

    BTW, I think you're reading what you want to say in the other guy's post.
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    No doubt.

    Unfortunately row believes he should own a piece of your life while you should not own a piece of his to provide you shelter.

    I just hope we can keep the government and fascism away from dentistry the way it has intruded medicine and your life.
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    I have several doctor friends and many doc customers. I like them, but then they aren't always telling me how good my plumber has it, like you.
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    How long have you had this persecution complex? You continually confuse push back against the ridiculous notion that we all should feel sorry for doctors - when absolutely no other kind of poster on this forum I have ever read has said that about their job - to hostility towards them, and by extension you. I haven't expressed any hostility towards any docs but the whiners who show up here like clock work. Just cut the tears, OK? If some want to hold your hand while you sob, can you do it on PM? Sorry, you aren't in the most pitiful job in America.
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    Ha! That's like saying Florida Power and Light has many doctor customers!
    Do they have a choice?
    Go share your views tomorrow with your "buds", print out these 6 pages, and show it to your bro's.
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    Well, yeah, my customers all have a choice, and they hire me because I have an excellent reputation for quality and honesty. What, did you think I'm just the guy on call for a project?
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    Art, the PAs are mixed. One works ER and makes about $140. This may include OT. The other is radiology and does a little better than 150k. The 3 docs are mixed as well. Both are specialists. One Gastro works for hospital makes about 650k. The other two is a medical practice Gynocology and do about 375k a year. Their malpractice insurance has gone up over 200k in the last 10 years. The gastro doc is w-2. He has it made.
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    Row,
    I want to take this opportunity to apologize to you if I've struck a nerve. This comes at no prodding from any mods or anything, I just don't want to sit here and bash you all night. I don't think that's fair, nor do you deserve that. I respect and appreciate the work you do, I'm sure it's honest work, but what you have to understand is you have spent your 15K posts calling for your President to stick his nose into our healthcare system. Don't act like you don't know your track record here. No offense, but like the EOB example, you have no f'n clue what you are talking about. The government (I say GOVERNMENT, not any one leader) has tried to make me shift more and more of my take home pay into fulfilling needless and ridiculous government regulations that have notihng to do with benefitting patients. If I had $20K to spend, wouldn't you rather your doctor spend it on new EKGs, updated diagnostics, fresher furniture, or do you agree with the government that I should spend it on wall posters, training manuals, monthly reports, electronic records that benefit the government, and other bureaucratic minutiae?
    You posted earlier all the crap you deal with (and you say you love your job, hmmm), do you think you could deal with all that AND have Obama shove his governmental boot up your azz at the same time? I honestly think you would be in my ER with a panic attack if you had Uncle Sam regulating you like they do us. As far as I know, no doctor is asking for pity or hates their profession or their craft. It's the government interference that keeps us from performing our art-that's what we hate.
    Anyway, sorry if some of these comments got too personal, but in my opinion, you have gotten way too personal for way too long in things you do not understand. I don't tell you how to lay pipe, I don't think you should be telling doctors how to practice medicine, or even worse, to quit if they don't like govment's interference.
    Peace out.
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