Standoff in the desert: Last rancher in south Nevada takes on 200 armed federal agents and snipers

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  1. brainstorm
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    ...trying to confiscate cattle from his ancestral land in constitutional dispute over a rare TORTOISE

    • Cliven Bundy is appealing for help to stop the Federal Bureau of Land Management and the FBi from removing his 900 or so cattle
    • He claims his family have owned 600,000 acres of Gold Butte since 1870
    • The federal government claims that the cattle are trespassing on arid and fragile habitat of the endangered desert tortoise
    • Heavily armed federal officers equipped with 9 helicopters and backed up with snipers have descended on the land
    • They have removed hundreds of the cattle in the past two weeks
    • The federal authorities say that Bundy has refused to pay for grazing rights for 20-years
    • Bundy has said the land is his and his constitutional rights are being trampled on

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...and-constitutional-dispute-rare-tortoise.html
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    I wish I knew more about the law in this case. However, I am a staunch believer in the rights of the individual, and hate the heavy handed gestapo tactics that have been the federal government's MO for many years. What would possess someone to become a federal marshall in these days? To see the video's that have been shown, makes me want to come out/rail against this government bully. Desert tortoise, meh.. another method/excuse for the govt. to come in and control property under the guise of protecting the environment.
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    If he owns the land, it shouldn't be hard to prove. other stories i've read have described it as public land that grazed his cattle on and claimed he should be allowed to keep grazing on.
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    That's why we have courts. Ownership of the land shouldn't be that hard to figure out.
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    It has been figured out, but he didn't like the answer. And he has done a brilliant job of marketing his story as a fight against the oppressive government, so he has a bunch of people showing up to fight at his side.
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    Maybe so, I am not sure, but if he's a marketing genius as you suggest, then the Feds are playing right into his hands, and making him look good.
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    This reminds me of the Bill Clinton/Janet Reno BS...
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    I'm new to the story, but if that's the case he's liable to brilliant himself into a coffin.
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    It wouldn't be the first time the government has done that.
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    My money's on the tortoise.
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    If only there was this much interest in keeping illegal aliens from crossing our southern borders...
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    I'm guessing that there is some vested business interest at play here. Someone somewhere probably wants to develop part of that land and they're using their paid-for lackeys to swoop in and make it "legitimate". Anyone who thinks that the BLM, EPA, or any other government entity's primary goal involves some sort of high-minded devotion to a tortoise, law, or protection of a common resource doesn't pay much attention.

    For example, just look at what a rancher has to pay to graze on public lands. Or what timber companies pay to clearcut public lands.

    While I personally think Bundy is a bit of a charlatan, if his larger point is that the BLM isn't what they seem, then I agree with him. Of course he has benefitted from that lie until recently. Even if his "ownership" of the land goes back to the late 1800's, how does he reckon that initial ownership was facilitated? Big Gov was his friend then.
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    If the feds are successful, let's see what happens to the land. A suspicious note: Harry Reid.
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    Well, if he doesn't pay the land-use fees, he doesn't have a lot of room to gripe.
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    And if this is true, I certainly agree with your observations.
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    He has no legal standing at all, it has been litigated. Even the Nevada political folks backing him say it isn't about whether he broke the law, they basically admit he did, they are complaining about the government response.
    Of course when a man what's that is spite of the law he will do whatever is necessary to protect his cattle, says he will fight a range war and gets militias to come in and back him up.
    He did everything he could to precipitate this and the government of course was all too willing to oblige.
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    Just think if obama spent this much on protecting our border how much better off we would be
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    The cheapest alternative is to actually make use of one of the snipers. I think if Obama did that you'd have an even bigger problem with how "he" is handling this situation.
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    It's not really that hard to market, you're always going to be able to get sympathizers without much of a problem.
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    Most cost-effective, certainly.

    While likely committing policial suicide, at the same time. A murder / suicide, as it were.
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