"Squeeze your glutes!" and other bad advice ...

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    Interesting how respected movement specialists, the very same people who prattle endlessly about glute activation and such, are raving about Osar. Lots of stuff that goes against the grain here. Take-away: when deadlifting you do NOT want to drive the hips forward. Rather, maintaining neutral spine, you want to lift the weight to the ceiling. Yes, this may initially limit the amount of weight you can pull. But then there is probably a difference between deadlifting for health and deadlifting for competition:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cZt3CPbTDQ
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    In the same vein, "Shoulders down and back" is probably not good advice either. And I must confess that I've been cueing my clients to do just that and also to squeeze their glutes.
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    I cant take anyone who wears Vivrams seriously. Just an aside, I didnt really pay attention to the whole presentation, just jumped around.
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    Well, for that matter, the guy's a chiropractor and I don't buy chiropractic theory. But I believe he's correct on glute/shoulder function and the erroneous cues we've been getting. I like the overall approach of proper movement preceding integration into exercise. I suspect that a great many are probably not ready to pick up a barbell.

    The strength and conditioning industry is as prone to fadism as any other industry I can think of. It needs voices in the wilderness. And it needs people who are willing to listen to those voices and filter as necessary (ex: vibrams vs. proper cues).

    Back to chiros, I believe the neck-popping, etc., is a form of witchdoctery. On the other hand, for my knee I saw a respected ortho and he told me to do terminal knee extensions and take glucosamine. In other words, I traded one form of neck-popping for another form of neck-popping.

    What are you going to do ?
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    Notice how driving the hips forward produces the very phenomenon that the "Squeeze your glutes!" crowd warns against: lumbar flexion under load!
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    All you can do is review the info at hand as much as possible and find what works best for you.

    I think proper form may be a unique thing to each individual so you need to find your own best form. Not as clued in on the recommended cues but I imagine they would be similar they are not one size fits all.
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    Offhand, I can't imagine why anyone would really need to forcefully drive their hips forward to accomplish any movement. Just do the fricking movement. if your glutes weren't working you'd fall down.

    Also, the danger (I see) in giving such a cue is that trainees so often receive the cue and then go on to exaggerate the motion. I Rremember watching Chad Waterbury cueing a trainee doing deadlifts. The guy literally looked like he was performing a hybrid deadlift/backbend movement ... with Waterbury just sitting there watching it.

    As an aside: Waterbury has probably forgotten more than I'll ever learn on neurophysics. And guess what he's currently, fanatically into ? The Warrior Diet. In the space of a year he went from six meals a day to gorging once a day. I suppose that because I'm a fitness trainer I'm less predisposed to miss this kind of stuff.
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    I posted an article he wrote about that actually. I agree with the hip drive thing. Im not trying to hump the bar on deads and im definitely not exaggerating the back bend.

    Waterbury is also seriously into ring work now. Might have just put out a book on it.

    I think opinions in the fitness industry are the most fluid of any you will find.
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    Yep, his book is just out. He's gone crazy for ring training. I do need to be honest and emphasize that I do pay attention to what he says. But on a personal note, hand-in-hand with the realization that gymastics-like training was beating me down was the realization that I had probably succumbed to a hot trend. Now, everyone is talking about Christopher Sommer, planche and front lever progressions and how nothing will get you more jacked.
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    Well its all cyclical and there is always a new fad around the corner. If the gymnast movements are the next one you can at least say you were in on the ground floor and out before it got too popular.
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    Hehe, there you go. Got the t-shirt, etc.

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