Son of guns thread

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    since I can't find the original gun porn thread I posted about 8-9 months ago.

    I recently picked up a new toy I'd been lusting after for quite a while, a CZ-75bd
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    (gratuitous gun porn pic)

    It is simply awesome in every way. I have not been happy with my Keltec P11 for a number of reasons and want to replace it as my ccw. Given how much I love the two CZ's I have, I am thinking really hard about getting either a CZ-75 pcr compact
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    or a CZ p01
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    Does anybody have either one of these or have any experience with them? If so what are your thoughts? Any other ccw handguns I should take a look at in a similar (ie +/- $600) price range? I generally much prefer steel or alloy handguns to polymer handguns. Thx
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    The fact that you bought a Kel-Tec pistol in the first place earns you scorn. lol :wink:
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    George Zimmerman used a Kel-Tec if I'm not mistaken.
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    Nine-out-of-10 Seven 11's get Glocked.
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    It was the first one I bought. I was told they were good. Obviously I didn't really know what I was doing yet.
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    Yeah I know, and it was a piece of crap gun to get killed with. I mean, if I'm going to assault an armed person, they could at least have the decency to use a Beretta, S&W, or a Ruger to kill me with... but a Kel-Tec? lol
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    I just bought this baby.

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    The CZ 75 is a sweet piece. I have one that imported briefly back in the 80's. They were imported in from Canada but were banned because CZ was combloc country and the CZ 75 was new production. I like the frame and how it rides out side the slide. It's an accurate piece considering the crappy sights it came with then. The newer pieces are much more finished and nicer. Enjoy it.
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    Just curious... what is everyone's usual regime at the gun range?

    How do you practice and what kind of drills do you go through to practice with?

    First thing I do after setting up my silhouette targets, I make a number of baseball sized circles on them with a magic marker. One center-mass chest, each shoulder, and five different ones throughout the lower torso. I also draw an image of a half-head behind the target poster's head on each side with a small circle for an eye too, simulating a hostage-taker peeking out from behind a hostage.

    I set up my first target at about 18 feet since most of a person's encounters in a gunfight are within that distance or less. I always start off with my two conceal carry pistols and go through four mags each on both of them, hitting center mass, hitting each shoulder, and hitting each circle in random rotations for accuracy training.

    I then shoot the half-head shot at the hostage-taker on the target poster.

    I usually have a second target set up at about 30 feet too, and I usually shoot all my pistols in a session, and then finish up once again shooting about three mags through my conceal carry pistols again at about 35 feet. I'll also move a target all the way back to about 65 feet and shoot several pistols for range accuracy.
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    You're more rigorous than I am. Firstly I hate indoor ranges so I avoid them. I don't like paying for the time, I don't like being rushed, I don't like having somebody standing over my shoulder telling me what to do eg no rapid fire and I don't like the fact that they ridiculously claim that steel cased ammo is a fire hazard so I have to use brass and if I didn't bring any why I'll just have to buy some at their ridiculously overinflated prices.

    So I go to public outdoor ranges only. Yes I have to drive about an hour each way. Its worth it.

    I could shoot paper targets but I find shooting water bottles to be more fun. They are better "reactive" targets than the paper ones you buy at a store. I love watching the tops fly off or watching them go flying up in the air and watching the "blood" (ie water) pour out when you hit 'em. They're also small enough that I figure if I can hit them consistently, I'm probably shooting pretty accurately and a man sized target would be easy if it came to that. I usually set up a few at about 10-15 yards and more on a berm about 20-25 yards away.

    If I can hit the further ones at a reasonable rate then the gun is accurate. Them being on a berm makes it easier because I can see where my rounds are falling and adjust accordingly.
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    they wont let you use steel casings because they collect the brass and re-sell them
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    We have a public outdoor range at the Wildlife Management Area. It has a 25 yard pistol, and 100 rifle and two area's for skeet.

    I made my own target stands and put them up at 100 yards, I usually put a target up at 7-10 yards for pistol. I also like to go off in the grass where the "I shot a 25 point buck at 600 yards last week" frat boys miss all their clays and pick them up and throw them on the dirt hill at a 100 to shoot.
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    bingo...that and if you've brought steel cased ammo they want to force you to buy their overpriced stuff. The "fire hazard" claim is a blatant lie.
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    I hate the indoor ones too.

    That's why I love our new outdoor range ten minutes drive away in Midway by I-10, called Talon Training. It's in my home county of Gadsden but it's owned by several Leon County Sheriff's Deputies, which makes it much safer than the public range out behind the Tally airport in the Apalachicola Forest, where there are some idiots who show up down there at times.

    It's $25 a visit for non-members and you can shoot all day if you want. For a $180 membership for a year all you have to do is pay $5 a visit after that and can bring a guest in for $5 too. You have to watch an insurance and gun range rules video the first time and sign the agreement but that's just the first time.

    Great range and great place for it. 5 short pistol ranges and 5 longer, two .22 rifle ranges, a 200 yard rifle range, archery, as well as a skeet and trap. I think the skeet and trap are still being set up though.

    They also rent guns and sell ammo, and their ammo isn't much more than the local Wal-Mart price too. Clean public bathrooms too. Great place to go shooting.
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    I'm thinking about getting a Ruger Mark I Standard 22 pistol for cheaper plinking. Has anybody ever had one? Opinions? Are the Mark IIs or Mark III's a lot better? Are there other .22 plinkers you'd recommend over them?
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    I live in the county well out of town and have about 5 acres. There is a large wood pile where I oin the targets and shoot handguns and rifles from different distances.
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    I've seen a few of them at the gun shows and a buddy of mine who is pretty much a gun expert said he enjoyed the one he shot. Very accurate and very fun he said.
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    There's a pretty good article about that in recoil magazine. $25,000 sniper system that gives you something like a 90% probability of a first shot hit whereas even the best snipers are around 50%.
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