Some notable women think the #metoo movement has gone to far

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    Catherine Deneuve joined more than 100 other Frenchwomen in entertainment, publishing and academic fields Tuesday in the pages of the newspaper Le Monde and on its website in arguing that the two movements, in which women and men have used social media as a forum to describe sexual misconduct, have gone too far by publicly prosecuting private experiences and have created a totalitarian climate.

    Rape is a crime. But insistent or clumsy flirting is not a crime, nor is gallantry a chauvinist aggression,” the letter, dated Monday, begins. “As a result of the Weinstein affair, there has been a legitimate realization of the sexual violence women experience, particularly in the workplace, where some men abuse their power. It was necessary. But now this liberation of speech has been turned on its head.”

    They contend that the #MeToo movement has led to a campaign of public accusations that have placed undeserving people in the same category as sex offenders without giving them a chance to defend themselves. “This expedited justice already has its victims, men prevented from practicing their profession as punishment, forced to resign, etc., while the only thing they did wrong was touching a knee, trying to steal a kiss, or speaking about ‘intimate’ things at a work dinner, or sending messages with sexual connotations to a woman whose feelings were not mutual,” they write. The letter, written in French was translated here by The New York Times.

    One of the arguments the writers make is that instead of empowering women, the #MeToo and #BalanceTonPorc movements instead serve the interests of “the enemies of sexual freedom, of religious extremists, of the worst reactionaries,” and of those who believe that women are “‘separate’ beings, children with the appearance of adults, demanding to be protected.” They write that “a woman can, in the same day, lead a professional team and enjoy being the sexual object of a man, without being a ‘promiscuous woman,’ nor a vile accomplice of patriarchy.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/09/...t&contentID=WhatsNext&src=recg&pgtype=article

    Ms Deneuve makes a good point I think. Obviously, any forceable acts are abhorrent and should be punished but has enough room been left for men or women to express their romantic or sexual interest in someone without punishment?
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    And people wonder why MGTOW exists.
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    Like who are we talking about? Can you put a few faces to the male victims? The article didn’t. I can only remember the really bad ones that border on rape and harassment. For instance is Steven Siegal deserving of the ridicule?
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    Well, perhaps but Ms Denueve is advocating for the ability of men to make passes at women while MGTOW, if I understand their mission correctly, is advocating for men to have nothing to do with women. I'll side with Catherine for now.
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    This MeToo crap has some women making nothing basically sound like sexual assault so they can be a victim too.
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    Are we going to pretend like these things aren't inappropriate in a work environment? How about men just keep their hands and lips off of women whom they aren't dating?
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    Men are not the victims here......this kind of behavior is inappropriate in the workplace and should be dealt with.

    “This expedited justice already has its victims, men prevented from practicing their profession as punishment, forced to resign, etc., while the only thing they did wrong was touching a knee, trying to steal a kiss, or speaking about ‘intimate’ things at a work dinner, or sending messages with sexual connotations to a woman whose feelings were not mutual,” they write.

    If men are worried about their profession, then they should avoid "awkward flirting" and focus on their job.....and their wives.
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    Who? I’ll ask again. Who are the supposed victims?
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    Interesting opinion on this “crap”. Could you provide examples?
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    Liberals always take everything to the extreme in one direction or the other. Never any moderate middle ground and usually their standard changes based upon their political view at the time. Think about it when Bill Clinton was making a mockery of the oval office with his escapades we were told it is just sex and it's his business and stop being such prudes. Now it is the entire other extreme. If you even look at a woman the wrong way you are a degenerate who needs to be fired from your job and made a public example of. One extreme to the other.
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    Cons are snowflakes taking everything to the extreme. They are now claiming if you look at a woman you will be fired.
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    Clinton getting a consensual BJ isn't the best example. His history of being a sexual predator is a better example.

    However, it's no surprise that very little middle ground exists between liberals and conservatives.
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    Well hell that nutty lady accusing Trump's former campaign manager of slapping her on the butt is on tape slapping a guy on the butt laughing without his permission. As usual a lot of these women want double standards but want to act like they are a huge victim when done to them.

    Also not mentioned by the media that female that Franken grabbed on the USO tour pulled a soldier on stage and kissed him without asking for permission to kiss him.
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    In the zeal to "believe all women" there will be and I believe already have been innocent men swept up in the accusations. If you were wrongly accused in this climate who would believe you? What chance would you have of retaining employment right now if it was she said/he said at your work? How do you prove something didn't happen? What is the criteria we should use to judge guilt or innocence of these accusations? Is an accusation equivalent to guilt? If a man denies it is he not to be believed?


    One of the more prominent women in the movement, Emily Linden, has written that if a few innocent men suffer because of false allegations, that is OK with her.
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    Of course, its not her that will be paying the price - but that's beside the point I suppose.
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    How many of our reputations have suffered unfairly?" Lindin continued. "How many of our lives have ALREADY BEEN destroyed because of physical violence against us? Why was that acceptable, but now one man’s (potentially) unfair loss of a career opportunity is not?"

    I think this is where we are right now. How long it will last I do not know. But is this OK with you?
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    Its a joke is what it is. I am glad I am not in the corporate world in this environment. I think most smaller businesses unless there is some proof of it would not fire someone over just an allegation unless the owner was a feminazi or something like that.
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    #metoo thinks it's gone too far
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    the liberal mindset in a nutshell
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    Maybe importing a few million muslims from the middle east might give some of these lefty females a new persepective on this. :D
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    Am I in favor of innocent men having their reputations ruined? No. Do I think there's merit to her point? Yes. How many innocent women have been victimized over the years due to our cultural trappings? If fighting that culture means a few innocent men take a hit, I understand why she would think that is acceptable collateral damage considering the history here.
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    http://www.tmz.com/2018/01/10/corey-feldman-under-investigation-sexual-battery/

    Corey Feldman's warpath against alleged child molesters in Hollywood just took a hard right turn -- he's now being accused of sexual battery.

    Law enforcement sources tell TMZ ... a woman walked into a police station Monday and filed a report claiming Corey grabbed her ass in early 2017. We're told LAPD's Robbery-Homicide Division will investigate. Unlike almost all of the recent sexual misconduct claims in Hollywood ... this case would fall within the statute of limitations.
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    More MeToo nonsense
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