Some good advice for the GOP

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    and shab this is the conservative alternative to aarp


    http://amac.us/my-advice-to-the-gop-today

    this part also stood out as I have been saying it on too hot for years

    About That Compromise
    For too long, compromise has meant that the Right consistently caves to the Left’s demands. That’s not compromise; it’s weakness. Where was Barack Obama’s love of compromise when he shoved ObamaCare through with no GOP support?
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    Isn't going to turn out well for the GOP.
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    Republican Reps and Senators were never going to vote for ACA in the political atmosphere present in 2010. With moderate pubs getting beaten up in primaries by far right candidates, it would have been job suicide to support it.

    Regardless, it's the law of the land and has been deemed constitutional. The precedent that would be set for revisiting anything one side or the other doesn't like over threat of a government shutdown would be catastrophic.

    No negotiating with terrorists.
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    The House never voted on/approved Obama-scam in 2010. Oops.
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    I think you are wrong. I think if the GOP follows the strategy of funding each area of the government piecemeal, it will turn out very well. The exchanges are a disaster and sentiment against Doofus and his health plan was running almost 60-40 opposed. With prices being released and the inability to even check or sign up, GOP predictions of a disaster are absolutely happening.

    Two approaches. Do what this woman suggests or fund the government in total but with no exemptions, exceptions, delays....everyone...Congress included, is all in for Obamacare. And then watch it implode.

    People forget. This was crammed down our throats. No GOP votes. Can you imagine going to war with no Democrats voting for it? Or can you imagine having passed Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid with no opposition votes?

    What do people expect. Half the country opposed. It will be fought.
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    Semantics. It's the law of the land.
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    Yep I said this the other day, piecemeal is the way all the spending bills got voted on before... so it's nothing new.
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    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll165.xml

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    Ever wonder why there is such intense GOP desire to defund and repeal Obamacare? JPMorgan's Michael Cembalest: "Obamacare has an 'original sin problem: for the first time in 100 years, one party crammed down a bill with national implications without any agreement from the opposing party. As shown below, whether the issue was civil rights, creation of entitlement programs, welfare reform, labor relations, tax preferences ... major (and at times controversial) bills of the 20th century were passed with some level of participation and consent from both parties in both chambers. Obamacare was not

    http://images.politico.com/global/2013/09/18/09-18-2003_legislation_table.html
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    The participation part isn't true. The bill was largely crafted by the Senate's Gang of 8, 4 Dems and 4 Pubs.

    Regardless, why would anyone expect to get pub votes on this? It runs completely counter to their corporate takeover of the government philosophy.

    It would be like expecting any Dems to vote for a law abolishing all labor unions.
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    The House doesn't need a 60% vote to concur in Senate amendments. Where are you getting some of this stuff from?
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    Name the gang of 8 for us please. I think you thinking of the sequester option for not coming up with a budget.
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    The Senate cannot originate a tax bill!
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    The Gang of 8 at the time included Chuck Grassley as the ranking pub. Conrad, the Dem Senator from Wyoming who recently retired, was another.
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    Well, we're at least moving to a different topic that the basic premise of is somewhat correct now.

    But that still wouldn't require 60%.

    And the actual rule is that the Senate can't originate a revenue bill, not tax. The Supreme Court has distinguished between the two previously and suggested that you can have a bill exercising taxing clause powers that isn't a revenue bill.

    But in any case, even Scalia's opinion last time this kind of issue came before the Court is that an origination clause challenge is resolved simply by looking at the bill number. If it has a House bill number, even if what the Senate kicked out looks nothing like the House bill they put it in, the origination clause is satisfied. The bill which wound up containing what was passed as PPACA originated in the House as House Resolution 3590, and it was passed with a House bill number. Thus, no issue, even under the test Scalia says is proper.
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    That was the sequester deal.
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    That maybe true, but the implementation if 0bamacare isn't going to turn out well for America.

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