Some Americans will undoubtably die

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  1. diehardgator1

    diehardgator1 Well-Known Member

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    obama is so obsessed with himself he will let some Americans with cancer die because they have lost their doctor hospital what a sad state of affairs that a person is so full of himself to allow this.

    "Some Americans will undoubtably die -- unable to access life-saving medical services -- to satisfy the president’s obsession with “changing America” to create his ideal of a more just society.

    How can any civilized society damn cancer patient and others to premature death under the banner of social justice?

    Now, insurance companies like United Health Care are dropping doctors from their networks and slashing payments to physicians. Many Americans will lose doctors they trust and who have intimate knowledge of their medical conditions.


    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...gance-corruption-and-abuse-is-just-beginning/
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    If one is really concerned with the death rate of cancer patients in the US, the worst policy alternative would be to return to the status quo ante prior to the implementation of Obamacare. As Obamacare is implemented, the number of uninsured individuals will decline resulting in a reduction in the death rate from cancer as well as other illinesses in which an early diagnosis is critical.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/12/20/studyuninsured-cancer-patients-twice-as-likely-to-die/
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    You weren't really concerned about that before obamacare, were you diehardgator? Seems that pubs haven't ever really tried to come up with a solution to our healthcare problem, which didn't emerge when Obama became president, yet they had plenty of time when they had the power. Yet, all the pubs do now is bitch and moan, still offering no solutions, because they have no ideas.
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    they had an idea, and Obama took it, and they then rejected it
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    Not fair. If a Republican President would be a big deal. After all, Republicans are just mean. But since it's Obama, it's Republican sabotage or an embattled President fighting for the greater good. So you give him a pass. But really, none of that matters because this is about what Obama actually IS doing. Again, don't listen to what Obama says, that usually turns out to be a lie. But watch what he does, there you will find the real Obama. Ugly isn't it?
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    With Obamacare there will be plenty of people that will be living longer than they would have without it.
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    Not saying it's sabotage at all, though generally speaking that has been the pubs intention for Obama's presidency. But 108 is correct, the ideas which form the basis did in fact come from the right, specifically romneycare, and the Heritage Foundation. But none of this matters either.

    What I wanted to know was what has been the major legislation that they've drafted and tried to pass that attempts to fix the healthcare problem in the past two decades?
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    This thread is completely disingenuous and a horrible joke to the many people who have died early due to not being able to get insurance due to pre-existing conditions or rescissions
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    Speculation.

    Well, it worked in Mass. Why can't Obama get it right? What Obama created really isn't worthy of credit either.

    Oh you're so very caring. Pat yourself on the back.
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    So now if you pay for obama care get check up and they find cancer only the rich will be able to go to the best cancer doctors and hospitals as they are the only ones who will have ins to pay for these treatments as the people on obama care are not able to use them makes sense
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    Some Americans would have undoubtedly died with the old system too. I'm not exactly a fan of Obamacare, but this is hardly the best way to assess it.
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    At least under the old system you could get what you paid for under obama care no one but the rich will be able to go to the better doctors and hospitals they will just let you die off and then they wont have to treat you
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    wow, what a claim. Since we don't support government run options for healthcare, we're just not concerned. Look at this wreck of a website and its roll-out, and you wonder why people don't want the government running things. There is just no sensibility. Democrats had their way, Obamacare was passed, and look at how it's turned out so far: It's a nightmare. It's been completely dysfunctional, yet, people who don't think our federal government is capable of doing this efficiently are the ones who aren't concerned.

    Is it possible that the ideas Republicans had concerning healthcare simply aren't what the left has in mind, therefore, the ideas are just completely invalid in the minds of Liberals?
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    When the healthcos were going back 10 years on cancer patients' policy applications looking for unticked check boxes to drop them from coverage, pubs couldn't have cared less.

    They also did nothing about healthcare when they unilaterally ran the government for 6 years.

    The GOP way: other than a war, if something is challenging and necessary, it's not worth attempting.
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    Not saying government run. But what policy have the pubs put forward? Name the legislation that they tried to put through to stem the rising healthcare costs and get coverage for the uninsured (who are one of the key drivers in the rising costs). That's all I am asking.

    Not doing anything is in effect not caring. The dems have tried multiple times and were now successful. The fed website has certainly been a disaster and deserves the criticism it has received but that is not the actual policy, and no one who understands policy believed that it wouldn't have to be adjusted as time went on, that's reality.
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  16. diehardgator1

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    every offer Rep made was shot down by the dem The Dem passed obama care in the dark of night behind closed doors with no Rep present


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    Video: House Dems cancel committee meetings, go behind closed doors for ObamaCare
    posted at 2:00 pm on March 11, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
    Well, as Glenn Reynolds likes to say, they told me that if I voted for John McCain, we’d get nothing but backroom deals on Capitol Hill … and they were right! Faced with caucus members who aren’t responding to the normal arm-twisting, Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer abruptly canceled scheduled committee hearings to call the party leadership into closed-door conference to plot strategy and tactics. That left Fox News with no one to discuss the events except Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), who also covered the Eric Massa controversy:


    Apparently, the White House is trying to put an end to the very dealmaking Pelosi has decided to push in her off-line meetings — and Democrats resent Obama’s “grandstanding” on clean government principles:


    http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/...eetings-go-behind-closed-doors-for-obamacare/
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    This is crap, seeing as how the bill was largely written by the Gang of 8 in the Senate, 4 Dems and 4 Pubs.
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    When the pubs were in power, what did they try to pass?
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    That's a reach fred...even for YOU.
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    i HOPE IT
    you are joking are you not

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