Solutions to better race relations...

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    Baloney. It takes good mentoring, hard work, determination, and a bit of luck for anyone to be successful. You make it sound like middle-class people fall into a successful lifestyle, or have it handed to them. Some blacks are fed a line that the system is rigged to keep them down, and they use that as a reason to stop trying. They feel if you don't try, you can't fail, and it's someone else's fault. It doesn't mean that it actually is someone else's fault.
    Yet many rural whites (and some blacks) do fine struggling as farmers or whatever, without relying on welfare.
    How does handing people a living (through welfare) make them feel valued in a way that leads to them contributing to society? Take away the welfare, and able-bodied people will make an effort to get a job, and they will make an effort to keep that job.
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    Good role model for it what takes to defy the odds? Huh? Do you know his history? At all?

    Foolish.
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    Exactly. I meant to address that foolishness in my post, but I ran out of time. The average black person is not going to have life handed to them on a silver platter like Obama. Obama's life is full of associations with murky people like William Ayers, and mysterious sponsors. People taking him to Pakistan as a teenager, helping him pay for college. He seemed to be prepped for some high office at an early age. Don't believe the ridiculous lies in Obama's auto-biography. He is easily the most under-accomplished and under-qualified president in American history. He got where he is and gets what he wants by pontificating, and then often backing down from his most outrageous statements, which he himself dismisses as "overheated and amplified rhetoric". He knows the media will help him out and not call him on the carpet for the things he says.

    The average black person cannot hope to be successful by following the Obama model. Being the first black president AND being an extreme liberal make him a media darling without peer. The average black person would have to travel with his own reporters and entourage to come close to the level of adulation that Obama enjoys. Most regular jobs do not allow a person to come to work with their own press corps to remind everyone else that they are in the presence of greatness. Regular people have to succeed on their own merits. Mr. Blank Slate would still be a community organizer if he had to rely on his own merits.

    Bill Cosby is a far better example of a black man who worked hard for his accomplishments. He has a Ph.D in. Education and is world-famous in multiple fields. And he is renowned for telling it like it is, not making things up about himself in an autobiography.
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    There is no double whammy, being poor is the whammy. President Obama thinks people lock the doors or grab their purse because of the color of skin. It is a socio economic thing, not a race thing. If you are poor it sucks regardless of skin color. I am pretty sure it is hard to overcome regardless of skin tone. Sure there are souble standards in sentencing, etc.

    But, really, being poor and not speaking grammatically correct is a barrier to success. Redneck, ya'll can be just a big a deterrent to getting a job as you what's up.

    I hope people quit saying well it is harder for this group because of this or that group because of that and instead focus on problems regardless of color of the skin.

    Murder is a problem, we all bleed red. Being poor is a problem, hunger is beneath the skin. We are all earthlings.

    We need to focus on inclusion not diversity. Talk about our commonality not a game of one ups man ship about who has it worse because of this to that por someone's ancestor's.
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    Unfortunately our war on poverty has incentivized bad behavior that is detrimental to the black community. More babies out of wedlock brings more money, more money doesn't make someone make better decisions. Movies, pop music(hip hop & rap), professional athletes all promote a lifestyle that is counterproductive to the good of the community. Why is the "thug lifestyle" so attractive to young AA's? While many make money and live the life, many are murdered or end up in prison for drugs or murder.

    The black community will not become empowered without embracing education. Becoming educated is the not the only way but it presents the best path, not everyone will be a recording star or professional athlete. Why do so many blacks drop out of school? Is it lack of parenting, peer pressure, or black culture?

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    It's called the First Amendment, they have a right to say whatever they want. Many people have spewed a bunch of BS, Obama included. You may find what Ted said as crude and racist, but what he said is good advice. To rise up and become something, you have to do it for yourself, it won't just happen if all you do is wait!

    Any kid in this country that wants to become educated can, no matter where they are. People make decisions that will affect their lives on a daily basis, many make good decisions and succeed at rising above their beginnings and make something of themselves. Others choose to be cool and make bad decisions that lead them down the path of poverty. In this day, it comes down to choices, some choose to be pot smoking thugs, others choose to become engineers. I can tell you with a good degree of certainty that engineers don't speak Ebonics!

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