Solutions to better race relations...

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  1. KelticGator
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    Apparently the "Obama did it" refrain can be utilized on just about every topic on this board no matter how disparate. It never gets old.
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    Given the distinction you've made between relations (as in peaceful coexistence) and advancement, I agree completely CCH.


    Thing is, with the exception of the entertainment field (which includes pro sports) it's very difficult for anybody to acquire that money and power if they're not equipped to participate in the world of money and power. Outside of entertainment, very few people start at the top.
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    And you came from a home where all your ancestors were likely married and passed those values on to each successive generation. It is your birthright; you win.
    You were given the necessary social tools enabling you to raise yourself into a higher class. It was expected of you.

    If you had been born into a situation where past generations of parents frequently were not married, sometimes even separated by the capricious whim of those who controlled them, you likely would not have that same value system as your birthright. Your personal self worth would likely be diminished or cheapened and your outlook on life and your expectations would reflect the collective despair of your community.
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    Agreed. But I'm skeptical that money and power wants to share money and power. As if the only barrier to entry to the club is presenting yourself in a way in which money and power find acceptable.
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    You're correct. Which is why if someone wants to play the money and power game (and not everyone does) they would be prudent to give themselves every advantage possible to try and break down that barrier. It's hard enough to achieve anything in this world. You have to play the hand you are dealt, with whatever advantages and disadvantages that might include. I'm not sure why someone wouldn't want to try and make it easier on themselves in any way possible. Does being black make it harder to break down those barriers in the first place? Probably in some scenarios yes. But I assure you being culturally different makes it damn near impossible.

    These are the rules to the money and power game, I didn't make them.
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    We really need plenty of good honest dialogue because I think there are so many misconceptions and everyone is so proud and so involved in being right that all we're doing is speaking and not listening. It's a win/lose situation when instead we should be looking for a win win solution.

    I do believe everyone of us can stand to look in the mirror first. Positive change may occur when it begins within us. But that means everybody. We need imo to communicate to seek to understand, change what we can, and learn to cope with the differences. As long as we put up defenses and barriers and make this into a win/lose debate this situation will fester.
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    we all should look in the mirror, but, i don't, nor do I know of liberals who complain about black people

    directly or indirectly, black people are in the forefront of the political conservative conversation
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    lacuna

    I think it is a choice and you have to choose to rise above you situation
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    i agree with what you said, but is this a black thing or a poor people thing? They aren't mutually exclusive

    and thats part of the problem, conservatives seem to make them mutually exclusive in their arguments, and it creates division
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    yet when conservatives talk about blacks, they lump them all in together with the true "welfare queens", and act like no black person can state your same story
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    Fact is people get perceived by how they present themselves. Would you let your kids dress and look like that? You're in some kind of fantasy land if you don't think the average person sees kids like this as thugs, but wait we're all the problem right?
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    It's definitely not cut and dry for any group, which is why I pointed it out as a cultural thing, and not necessarily a race thing. However, there is certainly a lot of overlap though when it comes to being poor/black/culturally different. That's not to say you can't be rich and white and still make yourself unemployable through cultural choices such as piercing and tattoos.

    But I think I understand your point as being a chicken and egg thing. Are you poor because your cultural dictated it, or is your culture a certain way because you are poor? Am I understanding your question correctly?
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    the irony of this all, is that, while you guys state that you care about the plight of black people, you also support economic policies that are really stunting upward mobility

    the US is pitiful in upward mobility compared to other industrialized nations

    TRICKLE DOWN is wealth distribution upwards

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    You're delusional if you think it can be explained that easily. Do you know what percentage of blacks are born into a single parent household? There is no shorter way to reach a lifetime of poverty.
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    i get what you are saying and I agree again, but I say its a product of less opportunity

    sure, the opportunity is there for a basic education (though poor neighborhoods have less funds for education), but there are so many other environmental factors that come in to play that make it much much harder then the average middle class white kid in a decent neighborhood

    so the question is, how do you get poor people to rise up against the odds?

    im not sure just defunding social programs is the carrot that is needed, especially when there isn't even enough good jobs to go around
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    i didn't say that was the only reason, but it is part of the equation for poor people....our trickle down economic system works for one class. When taxes are lowered dramatically from the top, when pay is increased for the top, it must come some someone else.

    you can call that class warfare or socialism, but the above graph is the affect of those policies
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    I wish I knew what the solution was. Nobody can argue that you are dealt a tougher starting hand if you are born a black child in poverty. I think the social programs are needed, but I also think they hurt the internal push to "rise up.". But cutting them is not going to be the magic elixir either. So like you asked, how do you get poor people to rise up against the odds? The only thing I see is cultural shift. It might not be the most PC thing to say but it's the only answer I can fathom. And how to start or implement I couldn't imagine.
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    If you had two loving parents in every household that instilled self responsibility, discipline and education the trend would be unrecognizable.
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    But how do we accomplish that?

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