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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gator34654, Jul 16, 2013.
It's 2013, grown men wear hoodies.
So who is this person? BTW, I didn't comment on MLK's sartorial choices which were elegant.
I don't know whether you're making a sarcastic comment as you often do, or deliberabtely missing her point, or what exactly -- but I think it's pretty obvious the comments she was making weren't really about clothing choices.
His niece. Yes, I'm aware you didn't, and I don't think the hoodie comment had anything to do with sartorial choices, but in that he wouldn't wear a hoodie to justify all of this "justice for Trayvon"-stuff.
I'm not sure why talking about a dead man's possible clothing choices is relevant to anything. If that is representive of what white people want to hear from black people, that's pretty ridiculous. Stop being so scary you black people with your loose pants and hooded sweatshirts! You're freaking out the white people! Maybe white people need to deal with their own insecurities and fears. Of course, that would require doing something other than blaming "black leaders."
no as there will always be others to step in to their shoes= it will require a change in beliefs and to some degree self determination
Well that's fine but nothing I said had anything to do with her comments assuming they have any validity at all. What I said was a factual accounting of what he was working on in his last days, and while Suze Rotolo would approve I doubt that you and the poster I responded to would. If he was the conservative republican some in that party are trying to claim, the party has changed even more than I thought in all these years.
Some interesting comments in this thread, and it's certainly a very multi-layered issue. But I don't think it's a racial issue always, but a cultural one. First and foremost I think the black community does a pretty terrible job of preparing their youth to succeed in adult life. I get asked all the time by people for jobs that can barely speak the proper English language. I understand it's a "culture", but if your culture is setting you up for failure in the workforce, you need to adjust it accordingly. Same goes for attire.
But the reason I say it is a cultural issue and not necessarily a racial one, is there are plenty of white people doing the same exact thing. Essentially making yourself unemployable for any real job by adopting these traits. I know plenty of successful black people, and what sets them apart is a cultural difference, not a racial difference.
Is judging someone based on their appearance accurate? No. But it is ingrained in us as animals to analyze our surroundings for fight or flight. You judge the situation you are in for danger. If you see someone dressed or acting a certain way, whether white or black, you judge the situation accordingly. It is instinctual and will never go away.
Some good insight in here, well said.
You and your Rotolo crush :grin:.
I think it's pretty unfair that you assume this seemingly so easily :
If you really think all, or even most of, white conservatives aren't for fair treatement of all races, or for civil rights, which is what I assume you're talking about irt MLK Jr's views -- then I feel for you, my friend. We're not all rednecks, just like all Democrats aren't all mindless government-worshipping robots.
If you want equality in this country there should be just one culture.....American culture.
If that were so, advice to stop committing a disproportionate amount of crime, cease killing your minority brothers and sisters, don't deal crack cocaine, get some education and following that, a job, and overcoming your cultural obstacles without expecting someone else to do it for you, would never make the p.c. suggestion list.
I know it isn't p.c., but, after solving their legal problems, that's what I tell my minority criminal clients.
Well, I hope your legal advice is less patronizing and smug than your life-coaching and race-relations advice.
I see you know nothing about giving sound advice, especially to minority felons, when needed.
Convicted or merely accused.
But hey, it's all in the way you do it.
Well, a large number of people who wear hoodies and baggy pants are positively worshiped and adored by people. Kind of a mixed message to send to people. Hey dont wear hoodies and baggy pants, unless you a) play sports, b) entertain people or c) or are visibly successful in some other field. I mean, here we are on a website where we discuss a sport in which many of our beloved players have dreds, jewelry, tats and wear hoodies and baggy jeans.
Perhaps you didn't read what he was working on just prior to his death in both Memphis and planned in DC or perhaps are ignoring his numerous calls over the years for federal intervention in the south to achieve racial equality. No, I don't see any modern republicans likely to be sympathetic to those ideas. I do see a lot of them claiming to not be racist who then think the only racial problem we face is Jesse Jasckson and Al Sharpton, or what in the day they used to call MLK - an outside agitator.
And they give the appearance of thugs. If I see someone with a hoodie and baggy pants, I'm really not thinking about who they may play for. I'm assuming they could have purchased pants that could fit correctly.