So ya think Urban wasn't Foleys hire eh?

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    This article paints a step by step picture of Jeremy's work (NOT Machen's) in landing Urban.
    Notice when Machen entered the picture. It was written AT THE TIME, not in revisionist history.

    Its a pretty good read....

    One could argue that Christine Donovan had more to do with it than Bernie Machen.
    I'll field links with evidence of the contrary.
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    Please don't interfere with Gator Mythology hive mind.
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    Urban Meyer retired because he was scared of Nick Saban (even though he was 1-1 at the time of his initial retirement)

    Steve Spurrier said "look in the trophy case"

    Every one of our head coaches has micromanaged his assistants.

    John Brantley was a "pro style" QB in high school.

    Brent Pease has ever run a "pro style" offense.

    Which ones am I missing?
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    What does pro-style mean?

    But yeah, there are definitely some Gator rumors that have been repeated enough times that people start believing them.
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    I don't care who hired Meyer. I just wish Foley had told him to have a nice life the first time he resigned.
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    Aw Tilly ! You had to bring facts into it all didnt ya ? :)
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    So Jeremy Foley is a great AD because he decided that, yes, the Number 1 Coaching target in the country was indeed worth pursuing? Meyer was #1 or #2 on EVERYBODY'S list that year. It doesn't take a great AD (or even a good AD - I was 18, and even I could see Meyer was the best available option) to recognize that, and it doesn't mean that Foley was the reason Meyer came to UF. My guess is that Machen had at least some influence in convincing Meyer to come to Florida.

    I think it didn't matter who was AD (as long as they weren't completely incompetent), Meyer was coming to Florida once Machen did.
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    Okay, so he didn't hire Zook and Muschamp.
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    I don't think Foley knew (though as AD maybe he should have) that Meyer thought the program was broken and that he would simply quit trying to coach.
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    he is 1 for 3. In baseball that is a good batting average. hiring coaches, not so good. Zook sucked so does Muschamp
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    It's like saying a basketball GM was the first to discover Lebron. He wasn't exactly an unknown commodity. It's amazing how easy it is for some people to get credit for something that's not hard. Politics everywhere, even in college football.
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    If you guys would pay closer attention to what you're reading, you'd see the point was not "see, Foley's awesome" but more to combat the hivemind, oft-repeated nonsense that gets bandied about here so often.
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    The point was to all the ill informed posters that think somehow, unbelievably, it wasn't his hire. To the ill informed that think he is not a great AD need look no further than our athletic program present and past.
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    I feel Machen played a huge role and recommended him to Foley. Foley agreed with him
    But even if we attribute Meyer fully to Foley (which I still think Machen played a huge role, the man hired Meyer at Utah and also has a say in hiring coaches at UF) Foley simply is not a good AD when it comes to football, which is the main sport after all. Muschamp and Zook were both terrible hires. No gator fan wanted to hire them. No one was saying let's hire Zook or WM after Spurrier and Meyer resigned....except for Foley. Most people were surprised when they were hired. Zook was extremely bad because he was a failed DC with no HC experience. WM was also bad because he had no HC experience, which is something Foley should have learned from after Zook. To make it worse, Foley apparently wants WM to return despite his massive failures. These 3 mistakes (hiring RZ, WM, and wanting to keep WM) are HUGE and show how bad of an AD he is in football.

    Also the 8 million dollar buyout he gave WM was ridiculous. Foley even extended RON ZOOK for 2 more seasons after two 5 loss seasons. He is just not a good football AD.
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    It does not matter who gets hired. We will run him off just like Spurrier and Meyer. We just cannot enjoy success even 12-1 seasons. But I am not sure why Foley needs to look outside the Gator nation, in particular, Gator Country. There are thousands of coaches right here among us, undiscovered gems ready to take the reins from Muschamp. Heck, there are thousands more among the other Gator sites! Foley do the right thing :).
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    Blame the fans huh? I guess its our fault WM's team is 4-7 right?
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    Few questions....

    1. Do some of you not get my point? I was speaking to those who claim that JF is 0-2 in football hires because Urban was "not HIS hire". (This real time article destroys that myth.)

    2. Does Foley get no credit for the monster teams of the 90's? ....Take a look at the stadium improvements and facilities and pay increases that he pushed for and gained during that time....which kept Spurrier happy, paid and equipped for that amazing decade.

    3. What other AD has 3 National Titles and 8 SEC Titles, during his run as AD?
    Hint: Amazingly short list.

    So lets recap:

    Our AD has more FOOTBALL Titles than any of his pears....a monster basketball program with a HOF coach...and great teams throughout the department....yet some of you still aren't pleased? Why? Is it because your FSU brother made fun of you thie ONE YEAR on Thanksgiving? I mean how shortsighted have we become?

    Everyone wants to judge people on championships and winning, yet some of you dismiss Foley who has a legacy that is the epitome of championships and winning.

    If you cant be pleased by Jeremy Foley's results...You will never be pleased.
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    tilly, you can't credit Foley with the SOS championships. He had NOTHING to do with bringing Steve here. That credit goes to the boosters and bull gators. He did, however, have a little something to do with Steve leaving here if I recall.
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    Not the point of THIS thread.... The point is, he did not ONLY hire Zook and Muschamp, as some here claim. He also hired Urban Meyer and brought us 2 National Titles.
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    Foley did not hire Spurrier so he does not get credit for the 90s. Like I said even if we give Foley all of the credit for Meyer and none to Machen, Foley still is a poor AD for football. Having 1 great hire and 2 terrible hires is not good.

    Big Foley mistakes:

    *Hired Zook
    *Extended Zook after two 5 loss seasons.
    *Hired WM
    *Gave WM a ridiculous 8 million dollar buyout
    *Wants WM to return despite his failures\
    *has a problem retaining top coaches

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