So which part of obamacare works?

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    For you libs- this is from Heritage so instead of belittling the source save us some time and don't read it

    http://blog.heritage.org/2013/07/03/morning-bell-so-which-part-of-obamacare-works-then/?roi=echo3-16157237024-13500762-3d2ee3a277e9e21bfeb6637886154b04&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell

    from the article:

    News broke yesterday that the Administration is delaying the employer mandate, which would force businesses with 50 or more full-time workers to provide government-approved insurance, until 2015.
    When Obamacare was engineered, the Administration and its allies in Congress made sure that the major parts affecting all Americans would be delayed until after the 2012 presidential election. Now, however, the Obama Administration is delaying one of the most well-known elements of Obamacare until after the 2014 midterm congressional election.
    Douglas Holtz-Eakin, the former director of the Congressional Budget Office, described the announcement as “deviously brilliant,” even as Obama’s senior adviser Valerie Jarrett assured people that this merely means the Administration is “listening” to our concerns.
    But Obamacare bombshells are dropping daily. Health insurance companies are exiting the market. Premiums could double.
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    After the mid-term election? Now isn't that just too convenient. I still want to see the part in that law that gives him the power to gerrymander the mandates at will.
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    Doesnt seem that convenient at all. Gives Heritage and other conservatives another year to fearmonger the issue.
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    it doesn't exist rick-but as prezBO has proven time and time again-he never lets the Constitution get in his way
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    The DNC probably figures they will have an easier time soothing fear of Obamacare than soothing the reality of Obamacare. Hard to convince someone not to fear the Bogeyman while he's actually eating their face.
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    Where's the weeper of the House when you need him? What is that lazy jerk doing?

    The majority House leader? Both are missing in.... inaction. :no:

    Pathetic.
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    You're making a huge assumption (one that all conservatives have made) that "the DNC" thinks this is a massive boongdoogle and bad policy. My guess is they think it s good policy, and workable. If anything, delaying a key provision adds to the conservative narrative that it is a clusterf#ck. Like I said, I don't see much of electoral advantage in delaying this for Democrats. The law itself isnt in any real danger, and Obama isn't up for reelection.
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    Were Obama's exemptions even legal in the first place?
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    Well, Obama is on tape talking about incrementally reaching single-payer, and the only thing ObamaCare is designed to do is push the insurance model into collapse so that Democrats can swoop in declaring that only single-payer can save us. They just don't want the interstitial failure stage to get turned up to 11 at a time when voters might take it out on them. Jan of '15 with a full extra year before an election than they have in Jan of '14, to BS why it's the Republicans' fault, is a more comfortable margin of error.
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    That's just flat out ridiculous, man. Sooooooooooo many bogus assumptions involved there.
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    It's consistent with Obama's own words on the subject of healthcare reform and the goal of reaching single payer -- and also with the obvious and foreseeable consequences of the various mandates within ObamaCare.
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    There's ideal, and there is what is possible. If Obama wants the "ideal," he picked the absolute worst way to get there. First of all, the employer mandate is largely irrelevant to the overall success or failure of the law, and could be argued as good or bad policy. That provision could also be repealed with little consequence. But as for the whole law itself, basically if you had someone who understood insurance and were in the business of health insurance make a law to have a national healthcare insurance market, and to cover as many people as possible, this would mostly be the law they would make. It's actually a very methodical and comprehensive attempt to make a private health insurance market stable and workable. The idea that its some kind of trojan horse designed to fail is massive ignorance of the law, insurance, and of politics in general.
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    Bill not sure what you expect, but let me go ahead and answer for River, Row, Old and the gang.
    It is all fearmongering and you can possibly know what all this bill will do positive until it is fully implemented. Oh one more thing Heritage........ Really......
    How's that guys?
    Oh I almost forgot, when Bush was president he..........
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    As another aside, you are operating under a false conservative assumption that liberals only want goverment solutions to problems. If something achieves the goals of liberals, in this case (near) universal coverage, then a private approach is generally acceptable to most liberals, even if they might prefer a Medicare-like public approach. Its only conservatives that are ideologically opposed to "big government." If something achieves liberal policy goals, its pefectly fine to me whether it is "small" or "big" government doing it. I and other liberals have no particular ideological opposition to small or big government in principle.
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    What about Obamacare works is the question.

    One thing off the top of my head...allowing kids to stay on parents healthcare plan until they turn 26. Because so many can't find jobs in the Obama economy!
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    Obama may not be up for re-election but the last thing he wants is to lose more support in the House & Senate. By conveniently delaying these mandates until after the midterms he won't have to deal with as much backlash from this disaster until 2015. Plus a lot of Dems won't have to double speak as much on the campaign trail when trying to distance themselves from the increasing problems with this law.
    Actually it's probably a smart move hoping that people will ignore or be ambivalent about their subterfuge.

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