so what do you think? was the guy assassinated?

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    I think you meant to post this in the Pub.
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    Or Too Hot...LOL
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    Definitely in too Hot.. please move..
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    From the linked article:
    The photo of Hasting's vehicle seems to be inconsistent with statement. It appears from this photo that there was relatively little damage to the rear compared with the rest of the car.
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    I'm not saying that a hit was beyond the realm of possibility, but the original article seems more like speculation than a rational analysis.
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    It looks to me like the rear end was destroyed. I know a little bit about auto body work. I did a lot of it when I worked between jobs when I was a kid at a friend's business. It is hard to say, but it makes me wonder, journalists/reporters going the way of sudden death.
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    An expensive car like that has a LOT of safety features, including a special collapsible frame in the engine compartment that drops the motor downwards to prevent the motor and the steering column from being forced back into the passenger compartment. The feature came out back in the early '90's with Supras I think, maybe even before that.

    But another safety feature is a collapsible gas tank that doesn't rupture and explode. This car was obviously burned up badly, but it definitely makes me wonder how a head on collision with that tree set off that gas tank.

    Catastrophic safety design failure perhaps? Maybe, you can also see the car is buckled right in front of the passenger compartment as the safety design would work, but it's interesting how the tail lights are gone and the bumper parts are hanging off the rear, as if something forced them outwards towards the back of the car, and judging by the blackened areas, it was some sort of explosion.

    Also, look at how the rear fender wells are resting on top of the rear tires. That also indicates the shocks and struts (probably nitrogen gas filled) were blown out. And look at the rear tire on the far side. It looks to me like the rear suspension is badly bent towards the back of the car. How would a head on collision tear up the rear suspension so badly, especially when the car obviously bottomed out on the collision?

    The fire could definitely be blamed on the impact, but the odds are against a fire considering these expensive sports cars are designed not to catch on fire that easily.

    We'll never really know what happened here though. No one will ever be able to prove it was a "hit" unless they can get enough witnesses to say it exploded before the impact. Then I would be really suspicious.
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    Good observations, sounds like you are an accident reconstructionist? I'm thinking this car exploded first and then hit the tree, but like you say, hard to prove without doing a lot investigation. I would like to see an accident reconstructuon/engineer work this one up.
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    It's a Mercedes C250, not an extravagant car. The shocks aren't nitrogen gas filled.

    http://www.mbpartsworld.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=1092569&ukey_product=7552837

    The fuel tank isn't collapsible and most cars have an inertial switch that shuts off the fuel pump on impact. Crumple zones are not really that rare now, but can only dissipate so much energy.
    http://www.mbpartsworld.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=1082929&ukey_product=7800167

    and there are pictures of the engine, transmission, part of the driveshaft and part of the brake caliper that was ejected in the crash about 100 ft away. There is an eyewitness account of the crash.

    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...st-michael-hastings-turns-a-c250-into-a-bomb/

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    Also, if those are the skidmarks in the left portion in the picture, it was not a good way to go, and probably wasn't a head on collision.
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    Without more pictures of the incident and the parts locations, it really hard to reconstruct the event, despite what Alex Jones/Paul Joseph Watson/Jim Stone thinks or think he knows.
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    The last article's author quoted above is non committal at this point and takes a wait and see attitude. Thanks for the find.
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    Wow I must say I'm surprised but not disappointed that a name like Jim Stone would show up on this website. Alternate media sites sure do have lots of interesting things to read and more information is always a good thing when trying to figure out what is really going on. There are some posters on here that stray from the mainstream too and that makes for a good mix in message board conversations. Like so many things that have been in the news I find the official story unlikely but can't present alternate info to 'prove' something different happened. Could be like so many things, just follow the money. What story was he working on now and who/what would it have damaged?
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    I guess you can't rule anything out, but this was someone driving at very high speed in a residential area at like 4am. I mean, its not rocket science.
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    Me too.
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    Well, I don't know much about that brand of car and was just speculating more than anything.

    It would be extremely hard to tell unless until an expert came in and looked at it.
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    I was in a head-on collision in a 1989 Celica with a 1985 Escort at a combined speed of 120-140 mph on a major highway. Other than the fire damage, that car looks pretty good compared to mine. My car did not have the fuel tank rupture. With a collision with a tree, usually the damage is more intense because it's localized. I would need to see a picture from another angle to say for sure.
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    Before you know it, tin-foil crowd will be saying it was a drone-strike. 3 2 1...

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