So we were spying on the EU too

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    So what, we've long known that they've all been spying on us and our intellectual (corporate and businesses) properties for a long long time.

    I hope we continue to spy on them... just stop spying on American citizens that aren't part of some kind of hate group.
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    I've always assumed most governments spied on each other whether they admitted it or not.
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    Allegations of NSA bugging stir tension with European allies

    obama is digging a hole we are going to have a hard time crawling out of. obama thinks he is so high and mighty that he can do anything he wants anywhere in the world and people are going to lay down and take it. He is killing what credibility the US has left

    "Emerging allegations that America's National Security Agency bugged and hacked European Union offices stoked tension Sunday between U.S. and European officials, with German prosecutors announcing they are probing the claims.

    The allegations were carried in a report by the German magazine Der Spiegel. They are the latest claims to surface regarding NSA surveillance activity, as on-the-lam leaker Edward Snowden feeds a series of sensitive documents to the media. Der Spiegel did not specifically say how it obtained the information.

    European Parliament President Martin Schulz, in response, demanded a clarification from the NSA about the alleged program.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...cked-over-report-on-nsa-spying/#ixzz2XjcVoZeM
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    Not good.
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    This is getting embarrassingly messy. Good time to hide on vacation if you're the POTUS.
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    It's ok. The world respects us now that Barack says they do.
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/01/barack-obama-eu-fallout-us-spying-claims

    from the article:

    Barack Obama has sought to limit the damage from the growing transatlantic espionage row after Germany and France denounced the major snooping activities of US agencies and warned of a possible delay in the launch next week of ambitious free-trade talks between Europe and the US.

    The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and French president, François Hollande, demanded quick explanations from Washington about disclosures by the Guardian and Der Spiegel that US agencies bugged European embassies and offices. Berlin stressed there had to be mutual trust if trade talks were to go ahead in Washington on Monday.

    Hollande went further, indicating the talks could be called off unless the alleged spying was stopped immediately and US guarantees were provided.

    The diplomatic row came as Edward Snowden – the fugitive National Security Agency (NSA) whistleblower, who faces espionage charges in the US and is holed up in Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport – applied for asylum in Russia. Snowden used his first public statement to attack the US for revoking his passport and accused it of bullying countries that might grant him asylum.
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    Apparently we are doing a joint task force with the Europeans to investigate the claims, report due out in October. This will give us the appearance of cooperating with our allies, and give them a chance to tell us how awful we are.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23165257
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    This is one of those things you do but never let reach the light of day...
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    and we made the Bolivian president backtrack to Geneva to fuel up because nobody would let him land due to US pressure since they thought Snowden might be on his plane. Winning friends and respect worldwide. Good thing 0 got his peace prize early.
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    They must really want this guy. Greenwald says that another bombshell is about to hit, so I'm interested in seeing what the next shoe to drop is.
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    The Bolivian president is a corrupt grade-A douchebag and has little love for us in the first place.

    For me, this is pretty ironic because Bolivia had once denied our military plane overflight rights through their airspace when we were flying from Brazil to Chile, partly to piss us off when they were in a spat with the US State Department and partly to piss off the Chileans, who the Bolivians despise.
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