So much for homosexual tolerence

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    I have found that even people with a personal character undergirding them, morals are just as fast and loose. Throughout time, our Judeo-Christians, as a culture, have changed their position on things like slavery and miscegenation. Treatment of women is another one that, for better or worse, is certainly different today. Sure, there are some minority sects that live differently than the norm, but we are talking about the mores, which is something generally derived by majority culture.

    Our society is also awash with plenty of examples of people overtly pious on the outside, but completely devoid of morals on the inside. From all walks of religion, from Catholic Priests, to tele-evangalists, to the Rabbi that got caught on NBC Dateline visiting the house of someone he thought was 15 years-old carrying a 12-pack. Supposedly, these people had a spiritual understanding of morals, yet are guilty of acts most of us agree are highly immoral.

    My point is, I do not believe a belief in a higher power is a precursor to being a moral person. Nor is belief means morals are held steadfast, especially over time. Also leads me to believe there is no deity or deities that are there to guide us, protect us, or do anything, and we are all just humans trying to do our best.
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    Yep. We humans certainly personify many things including what is something spiritual in whatever religious form it takes.
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    Not all humans are trying to do their best. By a long shot.

    In fact, most of them are simply doing what they want to do, and not living by what they should do. And fewer of them are even bothering to call what they do, good anymore: they simply don't care one way or the other.
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    :huh:

    I didn't know we were talking about our politicians.
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    homosexuals are 3% of the population
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    Huh?
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    ^^^what to you figure that percentage to be, obob?
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    I don't know, I was just trying to figure out what point he was making.
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    Gotcha. Can't speak to the point he was making, but I think that figure is pretty fair. Some might call it generous, some might call it conservative--I think it's close enough either way--imo.
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    Yeah, I cannot fathom what bringing out a number is supposed to mean, though.
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    Looks like the aussies have also discovered a cure for homosexuality--




    All that is required is:

    --Exorcism;
    --hugs;
    --behavior management; and
    --heterosexual marriage counseling!

    Shazam! Gay dudes will be digg'n on chickies, and a lesbos will be digg'n dudes.

    "....you ah heeal-uhld! C'n I gyeht uh Amen, brutha?"
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    lol, yeah I'm pretty sure we have a fair amount of those "cures" available stateside
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    But of course, nobody signs up for the optional exorcism thingy.

    That's the problem.
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    Maybe I chose the wrong colloquialism. Yes, we all aren't doing our best. Maybe it would have been better had I said, "We're all just trying to get by." But I'm a closet optimist, and like the idea that we are trying our best better. :grin:

    Interesting to me, however, is this is what you picked up on my post, and not the fact that even those with religious underpinnings both as individuals and as a group change their moral positions with as much regularity as those without religious guidance.
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    I know what your bias is. And that's your cross to bear.
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    Where do you live? Happy town? :grin:

    That seems a little high.
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    Christians?

    Edit: I should have said "Ignorant and intolerant Christians?"
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    Quick story--a roomate from law school (of about 2 weeks) told me he had been gay in his youth, but outgrew it, and now had a girlfriend. (This btw, within like 2 hours of having met the guy). Of course on the inside, I'm call'n bullsh*t, think'n this guy is FOS, fool'n himself, etc., but I just nod in bored.....whatever...just kind of 'ok, dude, whatever'.

    A couple of days later, I'm on the can--the bathroom was at the end of a dark hallway, and the door stood about 1 1/2 inches off the ground. Light from the bathroom illuminated the hallway, when the door was closed, and someone in it, b/c of the space from the ground (and along the sides). It was unmistakable. Anyway, this cat blows the door open, stares me square in the nuts, totally checking out my package, and says "....oh, sorry, didn't know anyone was in here."

    So it was pretty clear after that, that the guy was still a flamer. I told my LL I was cancelling my lease and moving out...he asked why--I didn't quite tell him about the incident, but he kinda' figured something out--and promptly kicked the *formerly* gay guy, to the curb, and so I rode out my lease.

    That was the only time I ever met someone who claimed to be 'cured' of homosexuality--and, needless to say, it wasn't very convincing.

    Preemptively--when I figured the guy was still gay, I had no problems living with him. What he did in his room was his business, as far as I was concerned. But the bathroom incident to me was him crossing the line, and directing his homosexuality my way. That was unacceptable.

    FWIW.
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    1) Christians are the only ones that know and accept the real truth so they are the only ones not "ignorant" 2) I have never been asked to tolerate sin by my creator only not to judge those that sin (including myself and other Christians). Accepting the fact that you are a sinner is one of the cornerstones of Christianity.
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    ^^^Gatordoc:

    Point well taken, but there remain many ignorant and intolerant self-proclaimed Christians--and I think that's what Row's clarification was aimed at (let him correct if appropriate). Jesus Christ is indeed the Way, the Truth, and the Life. However, just because folks may have been entrusted with the Truth, or even *know* the Truth, it doesn't necessarily follow that they live it. Human beings remain terribly corrupt, sinful, selfish, deceitful, and weak--even many who *know* the Truth.

    IMO, it taints Christianity, to measure its teachings indiscriminatly, by its participants, since, as you pointed out, we are all sinners, yet called to righteousness--or stated differently, called to live sinlessnessly. i.e.--called to essentially do the impossible (for all intents and purposes).

    As Chesterton famously wrote:

    "...Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult, and not tried".
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