so let me get this straight-we had to screw up the best healthcare system

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  1. dangolegators
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    Seems pretty bitter to me:

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    Queenie you have to consider the source- danglo is probably one of the more far left posters on this site- he does not think it is fair that some make so much more than others and thinks since they do not need all they earn the guvment should just take more of it and give it to those who do not earn it- another name for what he believes in and favors is called socialism
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    In the textbook sense you may be correct, but it sounds off....I would put him at unhappy just like anyone else in a similar situation.
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    So Bill, since you know so much about me, what would I say is a 'fair' amount of income to make? Give me a ballpark figure of what I think is a 'fair' amount of household income per year.
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    Danglo- based solely on comments you have made in the past I seem to remember you favor a top marginal tax rate of 50% for those making over $500K a year- since you do not think it is fair some to make so much more than others
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    Here, let's have this version:

    No one makes money. Ever. They make "credits" where the government then allows them to "purchase" foods that are from certain approved brands, certain cuts of meat, a certain number of underwear and other "essential" clothing items. There will be large brackets where everyone gets the same number of "credits" no matter what they do. Also, all cars will be from approved models/companies only, and are allowed to be filled with certain gasoline at approved locations.

    All housing will be in government-run and provided neighborhoods/buildings, and will have the exact number of bedrooms and bathrooms as everyone else. Electronic devices will be issued by the government in a lease-style program and will only come in two models.

    There will be one news outlet, also run by the government.

    All doctors will run their treatment plans for their patients through government offices, where they must then be approved, revised or will be outright banned. There will only be one medication choice for each condition. You will be issued a certain number of over-the-counter meds. You use them, you're out, that's it.

    From birth, your family will have a lottery number that says what occupation you will have and your education will be based strictly on that. There will be no religion because there is not a consensus; therefore, all religion will be banned for the sake of harmony.

    After 1 or 2 children, couples must be fully sterilized.

    This way, every man, woman and child has the exact items, the exact access to everything, the exact education to go with that particular field, futures are left to the government and to the job lottery, and then some on this board would be happy. Right?

    Feels extreme, but that's EXACTLY how some on this board behave.
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    Really? Can you name any of them?
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    Fred comes to mind as a glaring example. I'd be willing to go back through the threads and try to find more but frankly I'm about to make lunch for the little one and get back to work. But I've seen enough comments interspersed through the board, especially in the last few months, to say there are some extremists on here that would fit the description.
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    I've never said I favor a 50% rate on income over 500k. I have said I'd prefer to go back to the rates we had under Clinton, which would put the top rate at 39%.

    I think it's perfectly fair that some make so much more than others. I am not rich, but my household income is in the top 10%. I also think it's perfectly fair that we have a progressive income tax system. I pay a higher income tax rate than someone who makes half of what I make, and I'm fine with that. When I made half of what I make now, I payed a lower rate. Of course the lower incomes pay a higher rate on many other taxes in this country, and when you balance it all out, our taxation system as a whole isn't nearly as progressive as the federal income tax alone is.
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    This whole Obama-scam/tax is just like a national VAT tax without the value.
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    "Exactly?" This seems more of a projection of your unfounded fears, than anything resembling something anyone on this board has seriously advocated for.
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    Well, I'm not sure what you are reading, but Fred has never claimed any of the silliness that you put in your post, nor has anyone else here, to my knowledge. You think Fred wants everyone to live in government housing? To be sterilized after 1 or 2 kids? Just bizarre that you're getting anything like that.
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    You don't fear government controlled and mismanaged healthcare? Wow, you must not have any insurance then, because the crap you'll get and pay for will suck Donkey Kong.
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    As if this were still the Bush era: "But what about my liberties, I want those protected."
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    And people on here call me delusional.
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    I never called you that... But some "people" are right. Lol... j/k
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    We did not have the best health care system in the world. Our health care spending was really high and we had so many without coverage, who in turn generated high ER visit bills that the tax payers still paid for. Also because of all the greedy insurance and big drug companies we rarely focused on preventive care because that would hurt their profits. Now granted Obamacare is not the solution. We need a single payer system like every single other first world nation in the world has.

    The current US system pales in comparison to a single payer system like Norway's or Japan's system.
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    It's remarkable isn't it? We are a Christian nation and gluttony is a deadly sin...but when it comes down to the Benjamin$ all of that disappears.
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    We don't or live in that communist utopia where everyone gets free healthcare... oh wait the commies around the world aren't insured with free healthcare either.
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    You're right. It's an extreme example brought out of frustration, but looking at the situation as a whole, once the government controls everything (now comes healthcare), how far of a leap is it truly? There are those here that sneer and become upset at people who want to keep their income instead of buying into the "redistribution" concept. Okay, well that would mean no one should have a nice house because your poorer neighbor can use part of those funds to build up his house. The ultra-liberal mentality lately has been to take as much as possible from those that have and transfer it over to who they think deserves it. Does everyone believe that? No. But it has come across many times around here and whether it is intended or not, that's what's being portrayed. That somehow working as hard as you can to further yourself is seen more as a selfish act against the common good than a way to provide more for your family.

    Everything I said is an absolute extreme. But at some point, this country needs to stop heading in that direction and turn around back to a more moderate nation.

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