Slowing Down the Game

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    We have heard that slowing down the game and keeping the clock running is our strategy to win games. Why?

    Shortening the game is a strategy often employed to beat better teams not worse teams. For example, see

    http://www.hoopskills.com/beating-better-teams.html

    Serious question - what advantage does this have unless you are actually in the lead by at least 2 scores?
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    Ostensibly the advantage is you weaken the defense over the course of the game.

    I will say this - as compared to 2008 - it has had no impact on our opportunities to score. In other words, we averaged the same # drives this year as we did in 2008.

    So in theory, eating clock and being more effective on our drives as it relates to points on the scoreboard would almost assuredly = wins. Our problem is not the strategy, it's our efficacy. We do not put points on the board.

    If we changed nothing but speeding up the game, we'd simply make our wins closer and our losses more exaggerated.
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    There's not a team in college football that can stop us from sitting on their lead.
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    That's an interesting stat. It seems hard to believe counting the number of 8+ minute drives we've had this year. Our defense was great in 08, but I wonder if it is because we have caused more turnovers this year.
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    Here is our problem:

    We average 1.8 points per drive this year.

    We averaged 3.3 points per drive in 2008.

    Our issue is not tempo. Our issue is not TOP. It's efficacy as it pertains to scoring on our long drives. Period.
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    Through 6 games:

    2008: 73 drives
    2013: 72 drives
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    If we had those same numbers as 2008 we would be averaging 39.6 ppg. The numbers may be skewed a tiny bit because we ran the clock with the second team most 4th quarters (remember the good old days), but this is still a solid perspective. Thanks OBOB.
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    The point reveals two points:

    - The TOP strategy doesn't hurt us.

    - It doesn't really matter as long as our offense sucks at scoring points
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    One other thing I did when I looked at those was compared our average TOP to our TOP in 2008.

    I believe we averaged ~ 5 more minutes TOP this year than in 2008's first six games. A 5 minute advantage in TOP takes away an average of 1.2 drives for our opponents, which equaled about 3 additional points for them on average.

    In other words, while the TOP strategy doesn't hurt us, going the other way wouldn't have cost us any games.
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    Unless the reason we are impotent on offense is because of the TOP strategy. Would we be more effective if we focused more on getting downfield than on keeping the clock moving by pounding the defensive front?

    As a side note, when I played football, admittedly a couple of decades ago, I tired more when the offense was flinging the ball downfield.
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    Spot on! Having eight minute drives are great, as long as you do something at the end of it besides punt.
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    if you are not too confident in your offense scoring, you would be smart to limit possessions
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    Even when we got down 2 scores against LSU, it still looked like we were trying to run out the clock. I really don't understand our offensive philosophy at all. If we could just do the basics and play smart and mix-up the playcalling, we might actually resemble a real offense. But it seems we can't even do that. This is what has me concerned. It isn't lack of talent or injuries. This comes from the top. Pease and/or Muschamp.

    If they can't come up with a successful offensive philosophy of their own, why not just find another one that works and copy it already!
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    It is a lack of EXPERIENCED talent, and injuries have exacted a toll. But it still should be better than next to last in the SEC...
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    Isn't this exactly why we should push tempo? I think it's a little unlikely for us to suddenly execute at a significantly higher clip, but running our plays faster can result in more drives and thus more points for us.

    Also, if we did score more per drive, I feel the amount of drives per game would most likely go down because we would be turning short drives into long drives. 2008 had the luxury of being able to have big plays and short scoring drives. While for the 2013 team, a short drive most likely means we did not convert a first down.
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    Not necessarily, as we are also turning the ball over at a higher clip than we did in 2008.

    One more interesting note on what we did with our possessions in 2013 compared with 2008.

    In the first six games of 2008, 52% of drives resulted in *some* points. In 2013, that's only 32%.

    If we were at 50% of drives resulting in points and those were *only* field goals, we would have beaten Miami but still lost to LSU. (6 additional points each).

    Correction: a 50% clip would have resulted in 12 additional points against Miami.
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    Have you not noticed that almost every team we play has better, more experienced talent on the offensive side of the ball than we do?

    We have plenty of very good talent - mostly in the 2013 class, and coming in 2014. Next year and beyond our offense should be much more productive when we get that talent built up physically, and thoroughly understanding their assignments so they can execute correctly at game speed.

    For now, we need to play "Beamer ball" against most teams to have our best chance to win.
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    I don't think anyone had a talent advantage on us except LSU. Despite our extremely low points per drive, our defense yields even less points per drive. This means that we should be maximizing possessions not minimizing them.
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    Thats it Oaktown. Its the same strategy used last year to go 11-2 (A great coaching job). We are in the same position this year with limited offensive talent thus the same strategy. Results are not as good but it is our best play.

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