Since the number of jobs are expected to be lost do to ACA the left claims this is good!

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    This is a logical next-step strategy. If they can't improve job numbers, then float the meme that employment is bad. Who really wants to work anyway??

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    Dupe thread, debunked, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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    Fred - this may be in another thread under different title but debunked? You are amazing!
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    Yes, debunked. The reports says some people will voluntarily work less, but it also says:


    In other words, there will be a greater demand for labor, meaning more jobs not less.
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    Wasn't this report actually referring to the number of hours worked? Obamacare would cause a reduction in the hours worked by employees, that would be the equivalent of 2 1/2 million jobs.. This would not reduce the number of jobs, just the hours and therefore reduce the income and the payroll taxes, state taxes and federal taxes. Take that amount of income out of the economy. it will hurt, not help.
    Much to the dismay of the libs, people will still have to work in order to take care of themselves and their family.
    Side note: a reduction in gainful employment will certainly affect retirement benefits .
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    But when the left speaks they typically mean something totally different so never take them verbatim but listent to the interpreters - you know the Spin Doctors!
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    Two things are significantly wrong with this:

    1. Remember when 8-10 MILLION people were losing their healthcare because of the stringent requirements of Obamacare. What was the reaction from the Left? Paraphrased "Yes, there will be some disruption but it's not a significant number of people..." Got it - 8 million people are NOT important but losing the equivalent of 2.5 million people's labor is significant. Okay....

    2. This logic comes from the same fine folks (i.e. Pelosi) who claim that increasing the unemployment benefits actually is a boon to the economy. Life is simple when you only look at one half of the equation. If I pay my college aged son to loaf around the house during the summer his economy improves significantly...but, what about the person (or group) who funds the others? Does my money somehow not improve the economy just because it's spent at the Home Depot or put into savings vs. Chik-Fil-a or Chipotle for my son? Taking increasingly more money from taxpayers (or borrowing the same to burden future taxpayers) is a losing proposition. Sadly, it's a long-term loss and politicians rightly bet on us not thinking so far ahead.
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    Yes, those poor souls whose muse had been arrested by dead end jobs they kept for health care, may leave those awful jobs and free their muses by getting subsidies to pay for Obamacare.Those whose plans costs have increased and those who pay taxes, including those increased by hidden taxes and higher rates will be subsidizing those free spirits who have broken the shackles of uninspiring jobs. So say Pelosi and the socialist Muslim Minnesota congressman on This Week on ABC.
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    The CBO just basically confirmed that Obamacare is a further expansion of the entitlement culture in America. The people "voluntarily choosing not to work"--are likely to be lower-income; an economist's opinion (taken from another thread, but it was published in the WSJ):

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    When a wealthy person make a decision to work slightly less to avoid a higher tax bracket (which costs the government money), its a good business decision. When a lower income person makes a choice to work slightly less to achieve a favorable economic outcome (costing the government money) it "fuels entitlement culture."
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    Of course, that is exactly how some folks reflexively look at it.

    I'd ask this, maybe those less wealthy are improving their economic condition, for instance, by having one parent stay home more with children? Or maybe it's allowing someone to go start that internet business they wanted to. Or maybe they will cut down working a second job to spend more time with their children.
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    Except you conveniently forgot who is left to pay for that person's health care when they cut back. It's the spouse or the taxpayer of course.

    You have figured that out haven't you?
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    A logical analysis......
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    It is starting to get very difficult to juggle all of these points.

    People are choosing to work less because they don't have to.

    All of those hours that people aren't working just disappear because there are not any jobs and we have to extend unemployment benefits.

    But so many jobs don't pay a living wage we have to raise the minimum wage even though people are choosing to work less.

    But at least we can keep our doctor! Period!
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    When that rich person decides to decrease his tax contribution to the Gov it is a wise choice (he's already paying taxes). When a person who already can't support themselves and relies upon the money taken from the labor of another, then decides to work less than 40 hrs a week to continue to gain from the gravy train it's selfish and greedy.

    It's not Gov money its the taxpayers money.
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    I say we all cut our hours back to 30 something per week, since its so good for the economy. Just think how it will lower the tax bills of those of us who work!
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    Except the report didn't say it was people who couldn't "support themselves."
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    Sorry JDR, if you are on SNAP, Medicaid, SEC 8 or relying on a GOV subsidy to by health ins you are not supporting yourself.
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    You can make up to 400% of the poverty line and get a ACA subsidy. So that's not quite true. But more to the point if anyone who receives tax breaks or subsidies from the government cant support themselves, then there are very few people or corporations that can claim to do so.

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