Should we be paying for HIS healthcare?

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    I'm not sure I understand what aspect you find is a joke.

    The Californian was able to get insurance and being young and healthy the premiums are fairly low. Because his income is low, he qualifies for a subsidy.

    The individual in Georgia fared much worse because even though he makes only one-third of the California kid he gets no subsidy. This is apparently because it was intended that for an individual with his income level he should fall into Medicaid. However, because Georgia refused to participate in the expanded Medicaid program, he's not included.
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    Perhaps you could let your mind linger on where that $150 per month subsidy will come from. Who is going to pay for the majority of this man's health insurance premium? I think you know.
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    And so the robbery of the wealth of the middle class begins.
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    He is a healthy 28 year male with only himself to be responsible for.

    Simply stated, he should pay for his own healthcare without freeloading off his tax paying neighbors. Selfish bastard.

    You simply don't get it.

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    We've had Medicaid, Medicare and SS for years, and that hasn't prevented people from gaining wealth. We have been subsidizing people's health care for years who couldn't get insurance and that go to the ER for a sore throat. I'd rather subsidize it in a way that is more cost effective and used the way it was intended.
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    He's complying with the law, works, pays taxes and has a low income. I don't see how that makes him a freeloader or selfish. California took advantage of the Medicaid funds that were there to help the law work and he qualified.
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    If the law itself is the mechanism for him to grab a free ride, why does that make it okay? Just means the law sanctions the freeloading.
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    I wouldn't say he is getting a free ride - he has to pay a portion to comply with the law and it's commensurate with his income. And on his salary it's not trivial. Without the law it sounded like he was electing to go sans insurance and hope nothing serious happened. With the law his only alternative to using the exchange was to pay a penalty and not have insurance. What would you do in that circumstance?
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    Who is going to pay for it? California is. They are a net giver to the federal government. Florida is also a net giver and stupidly didn't take the funds to get some of that money back. Had they, we'd be paying less since we're already sending the money out and now we won't get anything in return except paying for people without insurance when they go to the hospital in the form of higher premiums.

    On top of that, the poor will start to leave Florida and the other states that didn't expand medicaid to go to those that did, leaving the non-expanding states with too few workers for the jobs causing prices to rise as they have to pay higher wages for fewer workers.
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    The poor will leave Florida-is that a bad thing?

    BTW-California has a debt crisis and the wealthy are and have left in droves.
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    It will work in those states that embrace the law, and won't work in those states that want to sabotage the program in order to prove a point.
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    This whole boondoggle will buy more votes than any other giveaway in the history of our country. So these are the people that get the freebies... no surprise. I'll bet he even lied about his income... $20K seems a bit low for someone in his line of work.
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    You are confusing Medicaid expansion and credits to purchase healthcare I believe. This is a federal tax credit based on his income it appears. Hence the articles about properly calculating your income or being prepared to have an extra tax bill at the end of the year.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/03/obamacare-tax-bills_n_3008174.html
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    That camera could probably buy him some healthcare...
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    The free market. I know it does not allow you to force others to provide for you but that is how to be cost effective. And yes people with less will still be taken care of like they were before government interjected itself at unprecedented levels.

    And while we are at it we can think about ending the redistribution programs our Greed has initiated that you mentioned...
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    I'm not confusing anything. For the medicaid expansion, the federal government is covering 95% the first year and then 90% thereafter. States that don't take that money, especially states that are net givers, are giving their money away. Florida is a net giver and was very stupid to not take the federal money. The subsidy in this case goes directly to the state to fund the program as opposed to the credit, which go to the individual.
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    Social Security is simply a forced savings program, when properly run. The average person takes out what the average person puts in. Same for Medicare.

    It seems like we could probably do better putting subsidized clinics (staffed by nurses and physician's assistants) next door to the E.R.'s than what Obamacare is doing (and costing).

    What you need to worry about is not people gaining wealth, but the nation gaining debt.
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    If you are talking about social security, it should have been partially privatized from the beginning. There is not any age person that would be better off under the current system as opposed to half of his social security taxes being invested in the dow jones 30 industrials or the S&P 500.

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