Should Congress authorize military action against Syria?

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    What do y'all think? Can we keep it to the actual outcome and effects and away from partisan score keeping? Here is the president's Rose Garden statement from Saturday:


    "Our intelligence shows the Assad regime and its forces preparing to use chemical weapons, launching rockets in the highly populated suburbs of Damascus, and acknowledging that a chemical weapons attack took place. And all of this corroborates what the world can plainly see -- hospitals overflowing with victims; terrible images of the dead. All told, well over 1,000 people were murdered. Several hundred of them were children -- young girls and boys gassed to death by their own government.

    This attack is an assault on human dignity. It also presents a serious danger to our national security. It risks making a mockery of the global prohibition on the use of chemical weapons. It endangers our friends and our partners along Syria’s borders, including Israel, Jordan, Turkey, Lebanon and Iraq. It could lead to escalating use of chemical weapons, or their proliferation to terrorist groups who would do our people harm.

    In a world with many dangers, this menace must be confronted...."
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/01/w...t-obamas-remarks-on-syria.html?ref=middleeast


    I agree that we are morally compelled to act if we are able without either doing severe damage to Syria the country or the US.
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    NO! By the way, just what Bush thought.
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    No. Assad...if truly the bad guy...has had and will have had far too much time to disperse his weapons, chemicals, troops etc...

    What are we going to do? Hit military targets? They know that play. Churches, schools, factories will be housing the chemical warfare stuff by now. It won't be short term due to this. It won't be easy...it never is in that part of the world. And no matter what we do..we will piss off someone somewhere. Stay out.

    I also see no reason to get into yet another "war" that we have no hope or desire to "win". IF we are going to be the world police (and I for do not think we should) then it is time to step up and do it right. IF not, stay home, stay out of it and take care of our own problems.
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    No, they are attempting to suck us into a holy war? Assad is learning from the Barak school of diversions. Do not fall for the bait. If crimes against humanity, let the Arabs deal with their own, if in fact they do consider it to be a crime. Assad is their problem until he proves to be our problem and when our problem, it will not be a shot across the bow.
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    Don't go to war unless the will to win is there. I don't think it is for the President, Congress, or the country.
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    Why answer yes or no at this point? Let the President show the evidence and make his case. Then let the people's representatives debate the merits in open session for three days as provided for in the law. Listen to all of that and then make up your minds. And by the way, if you find yourselves feeling strongly either way, write an email to your representative and senators. Don't just bitch about the outcome in here. That's the way it's supposed to work in a republic.
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    I don't know if there is any evidence that is going to change my mind. I say no.
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    Also agree with taipan on writing our representatives.
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    I think that any airstrikes will allow the radicals in Syria and the ME to use this as an excuse to launch an attack on Israel and other US interests there.

    Part of what I call the "squirrel" strategy. (In the movie "Up" the dogs were distracted from what was going on when they either saw a squirrel or someone said the word.) By using a drone attack, or missles, this will galvanize AQ and other anti-US factions and take the people's collective attention off of the atrocities at the hands of the Assad government.
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    All good points, and you are correct to note the insufficiency of our information at this point. Howver, it is likely we will not have full access to intelligence and ultimately will have to rely on the judgement of representatives who will see it. Other factors in the decision will be how to logically interpret that intelligence into a course of action or inaction and I assume we will get that argument in full.
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    War is outdated. Let the spooks identify specific targets, then send in operators to take those targets out.
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    Why would those who are fighting Assad want to do something that would take attention away from any atrocities he may be committing. Don't follow this.
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    With obama you're assuming a lot and you know what that makes you!
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    What I expect is that Obama is going to blow up "something" and then make a speech about teaching them a lesson. And it isn't going to do much of anything except be exploited by our enemies.
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    That is still war. And I still want the Congress alone to decide whether or not we go to war. Once war is decided properly, then the President can determine the methods (which I think falls more to your point).
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    Sure it is. Although more of a clandestine one. It's prettier that way.
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    I guess. If you're on the delivering end of it, that is.
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    Better to be the hammer than the nail!
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    Solely to boost Obama's ego? Certainly NOT!
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    Is he trying to tie Iran to this possible action too? Becasue we should bomb the crap out of the nuke sites in Iran.

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