Shiites and Sunnis

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  1. cocodrilo
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    I have no trouble with Cowboys and Indians. I know which is which. Ditto with Cops and Robbers. But for the life of me I can't keep straight who in the Middle East are Shiites and who are Sunnis. I know that Maliki is one or the other, and so is Iran, and that ISIS is allied with one sect or the other. Can someone suggest a method to help remember who's what?

    Given the similarity of the words Shiite and sh!t, maybe one way is to categorize (simply for purposes of remembering) who in the ME is sh!tty and who isn't (whether they are actually sh!t or not). I don't know what else to do.
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    I agree, I can never get that straight either. Iran and Irag are Shia and the rest tend to be Sunni.
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    Here's a map that may help with how they are distributed:

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    I think the Baghdad government was Shia but Iraq itself is more Sunni. (The treatment of the Sunnis is one of the things that Obama has been "mad as hell" about. You know how mad he gets. Did you see how mad he was this morning about the second beheading?)

    I guess a good place to start for remembering who's what in the ME is to say that Maliki is sh!tty and Iran smells the same way.
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    Iraq is majority Shia, but was governed by the minority Sunni for decades. Installing minority leaders is how the West likes to role.

    When Iraq "formed it's own gov" it was not surprisingly Shia led, and guess what: redemption time, b!t#es!
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    Here is an easy way to remember: "Sunni" sounds a little like "Saudi". Saudi Arabia is primarily Sunni.

    Saudi's primary enemy is Iran. And Iran is, of course, Shi'ite.

    ISIS is Sunni, and thus Iran is the enemy of ISIS.

    Even though both follow fundamental Sunni teachings and philosophies, Saudi Arabia (like many of the governed countries in the Middle East) fears ISIS, because ISIS's goal is to be The Caliphate, a goal diametrically at odds with the goals of the ruling Saudi family.

    So, ISIS is at odds with both Iran and Saudi Arabia. Which makes it really strange, because, again, Saudi Arabia and Iran are bitter enemies.

    Easy, right?

    So what does all this mean? Somehow, Israel is at fault.
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    Thanks for the map. More confusion. It shows Iraq as Shiite majority. If I was a Sunni (or anything else) I think I would just leave that country.
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    It means that Saudi Arabia and Iran should both help us destroy ISIS. But I'm sure they will leave that to us (depending on what Obama decides to do sometime between now and 2017).
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    It should mean that the Middle East governing countries should form their own coalition and end the ISIS threat. However, they will never be able to form any semblance of a coalition because they will never fully cooperate. Too much hatred. Too much distrust. Which is why ISIS is so dangerous and their threat is so serious.
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    Decades? Try centuries. The Turks were Sunnis, and installed Sunni Arabs into all positions of power in the three vilayets (Basra, Baghdad, and Mosul) that today compose Iraq. Britain also followed suit by putting a Sunni (Prince Feisal of the Hejaz) on the throne of the new kingdom in 1921. By the time Saddam came to power, all of the education and expertise (and consequently, the wealth) was in the hands of the Sunnis.
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    Shiites hate us more than Sunnis do.
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    Correct
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    If you are Shia, you don't keep on the Sunni side of life, and you are often Shiite out of luck.
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    "They" will give you a host of doctrinal reasons, but its really quite simple when you look at the map: Persian v Arab.

    Yes, Im sure its based on religious differences and not the classic division thats existed in that region since the beginning of civilization.
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    Ha ha. Excellent point. Let me see if I can help clear things up as well:

    We are staunch opponents of Iran ( Shiites), who opposes and fears ISIS (Sunnis), who we also oppose, because ISIS threatens the Shiite Iraqi government we installed and in general, Iraq and Iran are enemies, and when they were at war, both Russia and the US, who hated each other, armed Iraq because we didn't like Iran. Israel, who we arm and support, but who hates all of the Muslims, because the Muslims hate them, armed Iran in that conflict, in an effort to prolong the Iraq/Iran war because Israel knew that lots of Muslims on both sides would die, and Israel favors that. ISIS has been attempting to overthrow the Syrian government, which we also hate, but ISIS would also gladly destroy the Iraqi government and Israel if it could, and we support both of them, so we hate ISIS, but we are still probably ok with ISIS if they would only just bash Assad in Syria and leave Iraq and people's heads alone.

    But I'm sure that our genius politicians will be able to come up with a military solution to this problem, at a cost of a trillion or two.
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    It is my understanding that the differences goes back to the very beginnings of the religion. One of the 2 sects, and I think it is Shiite, believes that the authority of Islam is passed down to the male heir of Mohammed while the other sect believes that is not necessary.
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    Yes, and it's just mere coincidence that it divided almost perfectly down the Persian/Arab line.
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    I pity the poor fools who think they will destroy themselves from within, based on these issues.

    The Shiite/Sunni question reminds of a scene from the movie "Doctor Zhivago":

    Yuri encounters a shellshocked young woman fleeing a burned-out, destroyed village. He asks her "What happened?"

    She stares off blankly into space and mutters, "SOLDIERS".

    He asks her if they were Communists or rebels.

    She stares off into space and mutters again..... "SOLDIERS".

    That about sums this whole mess up.

    A muslim is a muslim.

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