"Settled Science" ... Maybe Not!

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    Did you miss your calling ? I strongly suspect that health and longevity are pegged to heredity and frame-of-mind. Since we can't control the former, and since the latter seems like hard work, we like to imagine there are variables we can control (foods) that will have us living forever. But then of course we all know people who "ate healthy" but were struck down in the prime of life. We're all going to die. Broccoli sundaes suck. Try the hot fudge instead.
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    Well that certainly explains your perspective. Thanks for sharing.

    Re. my heritage--hey, the Spanish introduced 'divine swine' to the New World. We like us some pork now! ;)
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    So tell me again why you think taking fish oil to reduce triglyceride level is not "settled science?"
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    Next on the agenda: somehow, against all odds, convince white women that white men like them some pork too.
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    *sigh*

    *People are more obese than ever,
    *Diabetes is rampant
    *People are just staying unhealty....longer....these days.

    Nutrition and exorcise can lead to a longer AND healthier life.

    People are living longer based on things like:

    - early diagnosis of major illness
    - smoking is way down

    People are not living longer because processed foods extend our lives.

    Thats like ignoring advances in AIDS treatments and simply saying saying:

    *AIDS patients are living longer today.
    *AIDS patients have unprotected sex.
    *Unprotected sex helps people live longer.
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    I don't question that fish oil lowers triglycerides. I question whether tinkering with blood markers actually makes a difference.
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    tilly, let me know when you've actually followed my argument and are prepared for discussion.
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    Seems to me you may have been too long away from 'the Southland.'

    Southerners love them some pork too. Pork/BBQ fests abound. All kinds of women and men, shamelessly feasting on divine swine, no one caring a damn about how high the Daisy Dukes may have crept up, or how much cottage cheese might be exposed from the back side...

    Pork. Beer. Corn. BBQ. R&R. Good times...

    You my friend, might be in need of a change of venue. :)
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    Do you have some other US region in mind where white women are okay with "just letting themselves go" ? The woman I'm dating now is 5-4, probably 135 ... and is giddy that she's dating a fitness trainer who can "spank her ass into shape." I already assured her that I'm willing to spank her ass.
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    FWIW: 2 of my grandparents checked out...before cashing out. Long before. Alzheimer's.

    Sadly, my physical health is far better than my prospects of carrying my full compliment of mental faculties into my twilight years.

    Point being--while I do appreciate 'healthy living', I also have a profound appreciation for the detachment from (the obsession with) same, and therefore favor more of a 'laissez faire' approach that enables one to enjoy the time we have, rather than foregoing so much life, for what? A little more comfort, when I'm drooling on my bib, in my late 70's, early 80's?

    I say (quoting the French):

    Les bon temps rouler!

    ....and let God worry about the rest.

    Just say'n...
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    Didn't the good Catholic G.K. Chesterton have a thing or two to say about the obsession with health and longevity that was common even in his time ?
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    Sure--I'll narrow it down for ya:

    South of the Mason Dixon line...East of the Mississippi River...and West of the Atlantic.

    You may go as south as you dare (i.e.--including Latin America--except for Cuba--they'd have you on a diet that would make that Minnesota study you cited, seem like an all you can eat smorgasbord).
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    Dream, its the same argument. I just quoted you. On one sticking point.
    Its the same argument you made in the previous thread.

    Processed foods are not the reason we live longer.
    And living longer is not equal to being healthier.

    I offered my reasoning for why we live longer today.
    There are a million reasons:
    Seat belts, Air bags, lower infant mortality rate, cancer screens, Ships avoiding Icebergs, much lower war casualties,
    condoms, shark cages etc. Modern technology in many forms extends our lives.

    Processed foods do not.

    I just offered a counter argument, and threw in the AIDS part for a little thought provoking satire. ;)

    I followed the argument, and enjoy the discussion.
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    tilly, the syllogism was tongue-in-cheek. Well, partially so. But it seems like you are grasping for reasons to demonize processing. Where is the evidence that we are living longer IN SPITE of eating processed foods ?
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    I assumed a bit of tongue and cheek, but you have returned to this point enough to imply that you believe it holds some truth. I dont demonize it. I just think like most it should be highly moderated. We feed our kids fresh organic from the earth type of stuff as much as possible ...probably 60%-70%...but they get a kids meal at chic-fil-a more than enough too.
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    A simple rule I heard was this:
    Eat 75% of your food from the walls of the supermarket (dairy, meats, produce) and 25% from the aisles (processed)
    Make as much of the 75% organic as reasonably possible.
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    And you know I don't presume to tell a father what to feed his children, but I also think that processing should be given its due. We know, for example, that it kills known pathogens. So who knows how many lives it might have saved ? Maybe many more than it has shortened ?
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    I'm not aware. If you have any links or can point me to a source, I'd appreciate it. I like Chesterton, so I'd be interested in reading whatever you got.

    BTW: was driving back from depositions today, and caught some of Rush Limbaugh's show. He was singing your tune (this thread)--and on a roll. If you get a chance, you may want to tune in.
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    "There is more simplicity in the man who eats caviar on impulse than in the man who eats Grape-Nuts on principle."

    G.K. Chesterton
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