"Settled Science" ... Maybe Not!

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    Your exasperation is misdirected. Write a book. Your niche: the 95-98% who cannot maintain weight-loss. Never mind millions. You'll make BILLIONS!
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    In our various conversations on the subject you've said that to me three or four times. I guess that's you're less-witty-than-you-think response when you have nothing else to say. I guess I'd only have to write it for you since you apparently speak for all fat people.

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    I can't stand that flaming dyke....

    ...but the contestants on TBL not only participate consensually....they line up to apply to do so....

    As for 'whispering behind their backs'? Uh huh.

    OPRAH FREAK'N WINFREY.

    Did you miss that one?

    She pretty much single handedly straddled us with the PO(TU)S we have in office now. King maker. Queen of television.

    I assure you, amongst her legions upon legions of fans, none were 'whispering behind her back' about how fat she was; they were way to busy going ga-ga over her highness, feeling each others' pain (even if a tinge of that 'pain', was bemoaning their shared girth 'issues') while stepping over each other, and bowing one another out of the way, to catch of whiff if she passed gas within smell-shot...

    You're way over playing this 'fat victimhood' thing.
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    No, I cannot speak for all fat people. But I can speak to the facts. Clearly many fat people feel the weight of the cultural bias against being fat. Due to that, and because there is no evidence that weight gain causes the diseases it is commonly blamed for, and because the vast majority cannot maintain weight-loss anyway, I'll be damned if one or two formerly fat people are going to change my mind on the matter.

    Aside from that, good luck to you!
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    Hehe, Oprah did do the dirty on us, didn't she ? Give me a freaking break on the notion that fat people aren't discriminated against. And their discrimination ranges from public ridicule to unnecessary treatments, to refused treatments, to lost jobs and even confiscated children.
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    Confiscated children? Do elaborate.
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    Damn....you take this issue pretty seriously.

    So...did you...'have a dream'? ...about a day when fat folk would be treated equally, and such?

    ...just wondering...
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    I do still detect the lilt of disdain in your query. But yes, I take it seriously.
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    How I wish that everything you say on this matter is true, Dream! (That would be a dream!) I just can't believe--no studies to cite--that all foods confer the same health benefits. That broccoli and a double-fudge sundae are identical, health-wise. You may be right about the lipids and cholesterol being bogus, it seems like the nutrition and food fields invert themselves every 20 years or so.
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    This is called moving the goal posts. You do realize that high triglycerides and high cholesterol are two different things?
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    Yes, but it is always in your cholesterol panel and doctors always get ashen expressions on their faces when they see certain numbers.
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    I hear you. But look, veggies are overrated as a source of nutrients (witness the DASH Diet research) whereas ice cream and chocolate rocks!
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    I should drag my daughter the vegan over to debate this with you. She's much more knowledgable about this stuff than I am. Her head would probably explode! :D
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    If I can prevail upon her ... she'll be calling me "Dream" too. :cool: But seriously, I've surveyed dozens of food journals in my tenure as a "weight-loss specialist", and I never saw one that did not include a fairly wide array of fruits, veggies, whole grains, etc., in addition to sweets. It is not at all difficult to get the requisite nutrients in this day and age. But calories, period, is chiefly what the body requires. Go to any homeless shelter or food pantry. You don't see canned fruits and veggies flying off the shelves. More like meat, starches and grains.
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    It was a clumsy reference to MLK's "I had a dream" speech. No 'disdain' intended.

    It clearly means more to you, than to me. That's all I was saying.

    It's just not a hot button issue for me. I have many beloved fat folk in my life. It's not much of an issue to most of them (as far as I can tell), nor is it to me. Some of them wish to be thinner; but it seems like a minor issue, mostly--to them, and to me.

    btw/fwiw---my hispanic heritage is much more, shall we say, 'tolerant' of 'obesity', than perhaps, other cultures.
    A fair amount of extra weight is generally viewed as healthy, and actually somewhat of a 'status' symbol. IOW a heavier set person is generally perceived as doing well--not as a weakness--e.g.--'la curva de la felizidad'--the curve of happiness--is a saying for one's belly.
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    I'd make an excellent prisoner, as I could easily live off bread and water. Carbs are my Waterloo. Don't even like meat very much. Love fish, though. Apropos of not much, my heart rate is 49 - 51, which makes me, according to my doctor, a big-assed (paraphrasing) Olympic athlete.
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    Well, I daresay your heritage might speak volumes. Nothing wrong with a boddonkadonk where you hail from. I can assure you it's a HUGE (no pun intended) issue among white women. In fact, I don't know that I've ever met the first white woman who's happy with her body. And as backdrop, even in advance of all the research, I grew up in a household with anorexic sisters (they were told they were chubby) and was married for 25 years to a bulemic.

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