Senator busted for plagiarizing Master Thesis

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  1. uftaipan

    uftaipan Well-Known Member

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    Out of professional curiosity, I read the original NYT allegations. I guess I've seen dumber instances of plagiarism where students copied word-for-word from wikipedia and even forgot to take out the hyperlinks. But this was a particularly dumb move if the then-colonel had political aspirations at the time. It's one thing to think your work won't receive this kind of scrutiny at the time, but surely he had to know that every word he had every put to paper would be analyzed to this degree as a U.S. senator. A dangerous combination of stupidity and arrogance for a man who had risen to the authority of a colonel.

    My guess is that the DNC will pressure him into bowing out of the election at this point. In California, maybe the base wouldn't care if someone cheated at some place called "War College." In Montana, though, my guess is the people will not like it one bit. It's very prestigious to be selected from a state National Guard for resident War College, even more so for a small state like Montana. And he returned that honor by embarrassing them, or so it would seem.

    By the way, no one seems to be grasping this yet, but the content of his paper is just about 100% aligned with neo-conservative thought. (And by that I mean the actual ideology of neo-conservatives, not in the manner that some on this board use it, as a synonym for all that is evil and soulless in the world without really understanding what it means.) This shouldn't be surprising to anyone given that the papers he plagiarized were authored in the post-9/11 but pre-OIF timeframe when many on both sides of the political fence were of the opinion that our long-term security was tied in to forcing political and economic liberty on our enemies so that they wouldn't hate us anymore. It is surprising, though, that as a Democrat (I assume he was a Democrat then) he was espousing this kind of neo-conservative thought in 2007.
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    I would assume any viable Democrat in Montana would be somewhat conservative, and meet all the requisite NRA / redstate benchmarks. Remember, this is a guy who was appointed to replace Max Baucus (one of the most loathed Democrats for leftys), who wasnt all that liberal himself. I doubt they pressure this guy to drop out at this point, since they probably have no better candidate (indeed this guy was already 2nd choice after Schweitzer opted not to run). Once Schweitzer declined, I think they had more or less conceded the seat, at best I think maybe they decline to send much $ his way, especially if the polling goes south.
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    You know, this really bothers me. I remember when then FSU President T.K. Wetherell justified cheating at his university by players as something that should be expected. It still pisses me off that a University President of any institution of higher learning (save the FSU jokes on this one) would justify cheating. And, I, like many others, have had the pressure of having a lot of work to do for my grades, but is it that hard to have your own thoughts? To write your own conclusions? To digest information and give a view on it?

    I'm not saying that everything needs to be original. Academic thought is predicated on building upon the thoughts of others. And every person is not going to come up with a world-changing theory. But plagerism is a combination of incredible laziness and intellectual thievery. And, even worse, if you just cite the source, you can say that you came to the same conclusion and why, and that is actually a meritorious academic argument.

    I wouldn't vote for the guy. But, thankfully for many reasons, I don't live in Montana.
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    Guess we'll be looking for a replacement VP.
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    I do PTSD evaluations, and I can guarantee that this situation has nothing to do with PTSD. To use that as an excuse is a pathetic attempt to utilize our nation's appreciation to our veterans as political capital.
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    I read Paul's plagiarism charges and it does matter to me-he wants to split hairs and I am not going to agree with him-he admits he used others quotes but just passes it off as not doing a good job of footnoting-very disappointing
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    Which reminds me, I need to check Barry's foonotes from his Harhvard Law Review stint, soon as I get some time.

    Maybe 2 guys could be looking for a job.
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    On the surface, PTSD does seem like a ridiculous defense for plagiarism.
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    That's right, I knew there was another (former) Democratic senator that had plagiarism allegations surface.
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    A politician cheats and lies his way to the top. I, for one, am shocked.
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    Well sure. Amazing how the guy got past all that stuff.
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    Not all plagiarism is equal, but under the letter of the law for most universities definitions, I'd imagine many, many powerful and non-powerful people in all sorts of fields are technically guilty of plagiarism, as defined. Of course, none of us have full-time opposition research combing through every aspect of our past lives for dirt.
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    Pubs probably had that seat anyway, but yeah, now zero chance.
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    Is there anything from Obamas college days to review?
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    He's your next Vice President.
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    I don't mean this as a rub-in in anyway but this seemed like a murphy's law type of situation. This was the perfect guy for the Dem's to have for a state like Montana.
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    Interesting observation.

    LOL @ "all that is evil and soulless".
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    He has withdrawn.
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