Senate Republicans agree Russia tried to help Trump

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  1. BigCroc

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    Seems the Senate Committee has a little more integrity than the Republican majority of the House Committee.

    The Senate Intelligence Committee — in a major split with its House counterpart — said Wednesday that it agrees with U.S. intelligence agencies' assessment that the Russian government was trying to help Donald Trump and hurt Hillary Clinton by meddling in the 2016 election.
    Senate Intel panel: Russia tried to help Trump, hurt Clinton, in 2016 election

    “We see no reason to dispute the conclusions,” Chairman Richard BurrRichard (R-N.C.) said in a statement.

    “There is no doubt that Russia undertook an unprecedented effort to interfere with our 2016 elections.”


    As part of its investigation into Russian meddling, the committee has for several months been reviewing the January 2017 assessment compiled by top U.S. intelligence officials.
    The assessment found that Russia sought to interfere in the election for three reasons: to undermine U.S. democracy, to damage Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and to help Trump win the White House.
    Senate panel breaks with House, says Russia sought to help Trump win in 2016
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    It does not matter to me if Russia tried only if Trump himself accepted. Beyond that I do not care. Lets move on.
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    Breaking: Devin Nunes announces investigation of Senate Intelligence Committee. :emoji_upside_down:
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    It should matter to ALL of us as Americans (not partisans) first that Russia tried to interfere in our election, regardless of which party they helped or whether the candidate or his/her campaign was complicit.
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    Yes, of course it matters but not to the level the sniveling Democrats are trying to raise it and once the corruption on their side is fully revealed their party should tumble. But like most matters with the lying and deceitful side of liberalism they will try to bury it just as with Obama's shortcomings, corrupt policies, deals, and misdeeds. Yes, Trump sucks but look no further than illegal immigration to see how much worse the Democrats are in total.
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    I agree there is a huge difference between Trump knowingly accepting Russian help and the Russian's just messing with us to sow discord amongst Americans and trying to delegitimize whoever won the election (and trying specifically to keep Clinton out of the Oval Office).

    So far there has been no evidence released proving that the former occurred - and there may never be any, we'll have to see what Mueller's investigation reveals.

    Having said that - Russian interference with our democratic process is something we all should take very seriously. We've seen how effective they can be in fanning the flames of division in the U.S. with an on-the-cheap, half-assed effort during the 2016 elections and thereafter. It is important in my opinion that we seriously investigate how we can avoid similar, or more extreme (and effective) efforts going forward whether from Russia, China, N. Korea, Iran or even factions within countries we consider our allies.
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    You write as if one side has the moral high ground above the other.

    They are both corrupt to the core because in large part our campaign finance laws allow for them to be lawfully bought and paid for, Trump included.

    Why else was Sheldon Adelson sitting in the front row at the Embassy dedication? He paid $30M for his seat just last week.
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    That's true, but if it becomes only an excuse to stir up trouble if they know there really was nothing to see then shame on Democrats. Besides, we interfere in the democratic process of others so lets be honest. Time to move on.
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    Don't misunderstand me, generally I dislike elements of both sides. But once I am convinced that their only intention is to impede our democracy I would say on this matter Republicans do have the moral high ground. The same side that is trying to prosecute Trump is the side that has not intention of protecting our borders or having balanced legal immigration. Importing millions of uneducated illegal immigrants from basically one country is a catastrophe and slimy Democrats want more of it.
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    Depends on what the definition of is is
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    The headline should read 'Never trumpers in the senate are still butthurt!'
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    Which is worse to you, the idea that Russia might have, in some small way, "interfered" in our election(though we do not know they did) or your Democracy, culture, schools, public systems and public services destroyed by illegal immigration? You can tell me that destroyed is too strong a word but it is coming. Perhaps you live in an area where illegal immigration is not yet a major problem, I do not know.

    What I see is the same side that accepts ruining the country for votes is pretending to be protecting our democracy by prosecuting the collusion angle as far as possible where the worse that could have come from "collusion" is that we did not elect an individual that had been selling access to our government anyway- and you know I'm talking about corrupt Hillary. The only way their investigation makes any sense at all is if we pretend Hillary was not already selling to people and governments the ability to influence policy. See how incredible it all is?
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    You clicked "disagree" on
    So what do you disagree with?
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    So, you completely reject the findings of the U.S. intelligence community and the bi-partisan Senate committee because you think they are upset Trump won the nomination and the election?

    It absolutely floors me that Trump has been so wildly successful in getting many Americans to toss aside their respect and trust in their elected representatives, the judiciary, the intelligence community, the free press, the scientific community, the justice system and law enforcement - and throw their complete faith and trust behind a proven liar, con-man reality show personality who is completely lacking in moral standards. SMH
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    You do realize that Democrats have literally no power to prosecute anyone, right?
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    This does not mean crap...
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    This whole fake collusion JOKE was a ruse to keep the intel and courts side tracked while Mueller and his cronies try to hide the real conspiracy in pay-to-play Uranium One deal that Clapper, Comey, Brennan, and Mueller all knew about yet did nothing. Yes, Hillary and the DNC made serious money on kickbacks from Russian oligarchs.

    And that REAL CRIME has yet to even be investigated.
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    1- That "their only intention is to impede our democracy" (if that is referring to "the other side" and not the Russians). The democrats generally are in favor of investigating an blatant attempt to interfere with the democratic processes in our country by the Russian government.

    2- That the Republicans have the moral high ground on this issue. Too many Republicans have worked to prevent or actively obstruct investigation into Russian interference with our election because the Russians tried to help their candidate and/or they're afraid their candidate actually worked with the Russians to secure his election.

    3- That the democrats have "no intention of protecting our borders or having balanced immigration". Although most democrats likely have significantly different ideas from yours regarding immigration they agree with protecting our borders - the question is how that is fairly accomplished.

    4. "Importing millions of uneducated illegal immigrants from basically one country is a catastrophe and slimy Democrats want more of it." Doesn't need or deserve any further comment.
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    LMFAO! It cannot get more corrupt than these clowns below and their testimony...

    That bipartisan conclusion was announced by Chairman Richard Burr, R-N.C., and Vice Chairman Mark Warner, D-Va., in a statement after a closed hearing with former director of national intelligence James Clapper, former CIA director John Brennan and former National Security Agency director Mike Rogers.

    I don't think Burr is getting much money from the RNC this next go-round.
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    I'm absolutely shocked that you would see it this way, Rick. :)

    For what it's worth you can be pro-Trump and anti-Russian interference at the same time. Putting aside the results of the election (which even I don't think were likely changed by Russian involvement), why is it so hard for you to believe that the Russians acted to affect our elections and sow discord among our population during the 2016 campaign?

    And if they did - isn't it important for us to investigate what their actions were and how to stop them from doing it (perhaps more effectively) in future elections?
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