Senate Immigration Bill Packed With Kickbacks, Waivers, "Stimulus" Spending

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    Who would have thought this. And we led to believe this bill is good for the country. All it is good for is more good ole boy kickbacks.

    ") The legislation confers wide discretionary powers on the Secretary of Homeland Security; this entails a largely-unchecked ability to grant anti-deportation waivers based on a vague "public interest" standard (via Cornell law professor William Jacobson):


    2) According to National Review's Andrew Stiles, the 1,200 page bill offers special sweeteners for specific states and Senators, including an unexplained Alaska carve out:

    The revised bill includes an amendment from Senator Susan Collins (R., Maine) that eliminates a requirement that at least 90 percent of funding for a new program to increase law-enforcement preparedness along U.S. borders be devoted to the southwest border region. Without the requirement, northern states will be eligible to receive more of those funds. Senator Jon Tester (D., Mont.) cosponsored the amendment.


    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...-kickbacks-waivers-stimulus-spending-n1626562
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    Another stealth pig of a bill.
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    Camel = horse by committee (congress).
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    The Dems and a few RINO's never seem to get enough pork in their diet. Pathetic, and it won't even get to the floor in the House.

    Dead on arrival.
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    House should pass a bill that includes building a fence and providing for drones. Then they can return with a more comprehensive bill once the border is secure. Nothing until then.
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    the Senate bill is DOA in the House
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    Yes, the House should pass a fence bill first, without any pork in it, and then go from there.
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    Unfortunately, all congress people are equally susceptible to pork. The 'bridge to nowhere' in Alaska is an example of republican supported pork.

    Basically congresspeople are voted in by their own state, so it is virtually always in their best interests to try to bring money into their districts, even at the expense of the rest of the rest of the nation. This is one of the ways congresspeople remain in office.
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    "Pork" is underated and gets a bad name. You think self-interested people with a diverse set of goals are going to come together to pass major legislation purely out of a sense of public good or doing the right thing?
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    Well, ideally. But your argument is basically the same Adam Smith's argument for capitalism, so I certainly take your point.

    What I don't want is an exchange that amounts to public destruction, like the bridge to nowhere or Murtha's airport.
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    Sure, excess and abuse is certainly possible. People were pleased when earmarks were eliminated, and attaching unrelated funding to a bill is on its face ridiculous, but the cost is also less incentive to work together. Things will never be accomplished based solely on their merits or aggregate benefit. Self-interest is pretty vital in our system of government.
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    Obviously what you are saying has a lot of truth to it, wgb, but there are certainly many actions that contain self interest that is not to the detriment of others or at least should be of some tangible value to the home district. I wouldn't mind the bridge to nowhere so much, if it went somewhere. Or Mutha's airport, if anyone ever used it. Instead, we basically paid off the builders, which is basically corruption.
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    I think our system of government requires a certain level of comfort with corruption, but also a certain level of intolerance for it. I certainly can't say where to draw the line between useful infrastructure and potentially useless airports, I suppose that's something we determine collectively.
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    For sure, these determinations aren't always straightforward. Social spending is always going to be inefficient, but I personally advocate swallowing these inefficiencies when the goal is valuable and private actions simply cannot meet the goal. The tragedy of the commons is probably the most widely accepted example, but there is obviously going to be some disagreement even there. Indeed, the Nestle CEO believes that it is a "extreme"
    to view water as a public right
    . I am going to go for 'pork' on this one, even though I am close with several people who only drink bottled water.

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