Sen Ted Cruz Abolish The IRS

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    If you want to join in this fight to abolish this bunch of scum bags call 1 800 656 8845 The IRS needs to go and be replaced with a fair system where every body pays something
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    I support this 100% and have contributed to the cause
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    Fair Tax. Period.
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    I mentioned it last time this was posted, but no matter what tax structure you have you would need the IRS or something similar. Enforcement would still he needed, collection management would be needed, someone to create the documentation and instructions would be needed, approval of non profits would still be needed (assuming they didn't go away) etc.

    Just more impractical red meat for the base.
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    Well, to assume that the IRS would be as beefy as it is now with either a fair or flat tax, is one hell of a lot of speculation, IMHO.

    So . . . let's try it, and as the southern rurals say, we'll figure it out.
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    I never said it would be as big, only that to abolish it entirely is impractical. Regardless of the tax system we would have there would be a needed role, whether it's called the IRS or not.
    Just more hyperbole from a politician.
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    I think the ONLY way to fix it is to abolish it and then start over with a very small agency- the fairtax eliminates the need for "tax free" 501 C's as their will be no income tax

    a flat tax with no deductions would require a simple 1 page tax form

    with the IRS they actually operate in antithesis to our Constitution- with them when you are audited if they say you owe something you are guilty until proven innocent-you have to pay the taxes and fines and only then can you file to challenge their findings and very rarely does anyone win
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    Fair Tax Org?
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    This is such a nonsensical process. Consider a house. The upstairs is off-center, the plumbing is messed up but the foundation is good. You're talking about tearing the whole thing down, hauling away the mess and then rebuilding stuff - good and bad - just so you feel good about yourself.

    What you'll end up building will be identical anyway. It's superficial work for superficial benefit. It will *cost* money.
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    The IRS isn't the problem. A government with little or no sense of responsibility or accountability is the problem. The problems America has with the IRS are no different than what we have with other gov't agencies, except they aren't tasked with taking our money. IRS employees feel free to throw their weight around and bully U.S. citizens (whether it's Tea Party groups applying for tax exempt status or taxpayers), which enables them to feel good about themselves. Besides, there are no consequences for reaching beyond your authority or stretching the law. You're a government employee! You have a job for life, and a guaranteed full pension! The taxpayer owes you a living (and a nice one at that)!

    We have had two presidents in a row that couldn't give a rat's a$$ if the employees in their sphere of influence were robbing the Treasury blind, hiring hookers while on gov't business trips, or beating up little old ladies for kicks.

    The expectations for gov't employees has gotten so low that leaders in Washington have stopped caring. It's business as usual for gov't middle managers to make a power grab by slowing or withholding services until Congress appropriates more money for them to expand their empire. Planes hijacked by middle eastern terrorists, and thousands killed? No problem. Slow down our Arabic translators until we get more money to expand the department.

    Even an organization that you think was immune to D.C. incompetence like the Park Service now has problems. The Park Service lost track of 1400 guns. No idea where they are. Not to worry, though. They have 477 rifles that they aren't using. The report indicated that the leadership of the Park Service couldn't care less about accounting for all the guns they are responsible for. It's not high on their priorities list.

    I would argue that virtually all government agencies have scandals like this, but only a few come to light at a time. It's a systemic problem. And you'll find this problem anywhere a group of people ascend to power based on speech-making ability, personality and looks, take money from society, and spend it however they wish.
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    Get serious. Legislation abolishing the income tax in favor of some kind of fair flat tax? Does anyone really think that our spineless, corrupt, polarized, do-nothing joke of a federal legislative branch of government could ever pass such a drastic, historic piece of legislation? Ha ha ha ha ha. People here live in a dream world.
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    "a flat tax with no deductions would require a simple 1 page tax form"

    If you are referring to a flat tax on gross income for individuals as well as corporations with flat tax to be assessed--before money sent to tax shelters, retirement accounts, charity donations, etc, etc

    I'd agree

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    but if you think corporations and 1%'ers would agree to that you might be deceiving yourself.

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    as long as a person or group of people are involved with anything monetary there will likely always be a significant number who try to scam...
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    which old is why we need the Fair Tax
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    of course what you wrote begs the question of just what is 'fair'. No doubt you'll get a wide variety of opinions on that. And just because a tax might be labelled the 'Fair tax' doesn't mean that it would be fair.
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    No they won't.
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    I wouldn't mind a consumption tax. That way you wouldn't need the IRS anyway. You pay on goods purchased. Yes it would hurt the housing and car markets BUT it wouldn't be any worse than '08 was. Even you liberals can admit to that.
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    Dad, the Fair Tax would only apply to new houses and cars. It does not apply to "used". Homebuilders and car manufacturers will reduce the cost to build because they no longer have to pay corporate taxes nor match employees FICA.

    Net cost of products will not go up.
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    The foundation is good?

    Think that may be just a tad debatable?

    I think I just looked in the basement and see 8 feet of water...and it is rising.
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    Do you guys even put a few second's thought into this? You would absolutely still need an IRS.

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