Sebelius Responds to Dying Girl ‘Someone Lives and Someone Dies’

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    A judge has intervened. This is looking like the liberal's version of Schiavo, without the unfaithful husband.
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    You're a few pages behind, bud. I've already responded about how I think HHS should react if they believe there is a medical basis for the policy.

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    No man, it's called trying to save a life by any means necessary. Do you dig it? If it was your daughter I'm assuming you would approve. Keep in mind they tried going through the proper channels first which as the medical bureaucrats who turned their back on the family. So tell me, what is a family supposed to do? This is not a political issue, this is save a little girl's life issue.
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    If it were my daughter, I'd want her moved up the list. But I don't think I'd be very happy if someone were moved up the list above my daughter. Would you?
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    You can't separate yourself from the emotion enough to realize that you can't just "save her life" in isolation. Giving her a transplant means that someone else doesn't get one.

    I agree that it's not a political issue, it's one that you have to have some system walled off from emotion that seeks to maximize successful transplant results. These people appear to be succeeding in going around that system.
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    Strange time for the Obama administration to now want to play by the rules? Is her family conservative or something?
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    I guess you don't get it, this was about getting on the list
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    Again you don't get it. This is about at least giving her a fighting chance by allowing her to be on the list. Not one post you have made on this makes any sense.
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    Again, "getting on the list" is solely about moving up in priority over where UNOS's evidence-based policy says she should be to maximize the likelihood that the organ will be used for a successful transplant.

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    Please get this in your head, she was not on any list which means she has zero chance of continued life. Is this that hard to understand? Would you rather have her die or have a chance by being on a list? This is a yes or no answer
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    She was on a list. She was on the pediatric list with absolute priority for a pediatric donation and eligible for an adult transplant if there wasn't an adult (for whom the transplant would have a greater chance of success) eligible to receive it.

    I'm sorry that you don't remotely understand an issue that you feel this passionately about?
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    No, I'm just sorry you're willing to let a little girl die. I feel sorry for you, for real
    This is where we are and note that the individuals that claim to have a monopoly on compassion can really be stone cold. Being on a pediatric waiting list for lungs is like playing the freaking lotto. Talk about a lack of humanity, I have always been taught that the innocence among us should always be a priority. If such innocence is not emotional in your heart then again I feel for you. Perhaps some day you will have a change of heart. In closing shame one you.
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    No, but forcing straight America to accept gay marriage is.
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    Who's life has more value? 10 year old off the list or the hypothetical 13 year old on it, because if the 10 year old gets a lung, someone else dies, it's the ultimate zero sum game And why should the judge decide rather than those who put the legislation in place?.
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    The 10 year old's life is more valuable. Let the 13 year old die, they've had more than enough time to live.
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    Obama Administration alters current law allowing unions to precede bondholders in line for GM assets - few people care.
    Obama Administration does not alter current procedure to allow 10-year old to precede others in line for lung transplant - OA is hated.
    I understand the 2nd example these are "guidelines" not laws; so, there should be more room for flexibility. It just goes to prove Goebbels' (NAZI propaganda minister) point true: " the death of a family is a horrific tragedy, the death of one million people is a statistic."
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    Why would I give a hypothetical any credence?
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    Thats the problem, because what I see is a complete lack of heart on the matter. Perhaps that is the reason the judge stepped in after all these jackasses turning their backs. You know damn well if that was your daughter you would want her to have a chance. When you say I act on emotion on the matter, I look at you and say you have not heart on the matter.

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